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31 minutes ago, davieG said:

Not sure how true this is 

 

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Not sure it's the problem when it seems to me the DUP/Irish border is the problem whatever the balance of voting is.

 

 

If Remainer MPs are the problem, why are we not heading for Remain?

 

The European Court has confirmed that the UK has the legal right to revoke its notice to quit. Yet any attempt to do so would have very little support in parliament.

All attempts to even obtain a second referendum have been defeated.....that does not suggest there is currently a Remain majority in parliament seeking to enforce Remain.

 

Superficially, those figures look quite accurate.....but they are figures from 2016. If anything, my guess is that more than 400 MPs supported Remain in 2016.

There might conceivably still be 400 who support either Remain or a Soft Brexit.....but Soft Brexit is a form of Brexit, the clue is in the fvcking name!!

 

The ballot paper in 2016 only said Leave / Remain. It didn't say anything about any particular form of Brexit.

Yet the anti-democratic Hard Brexit campaigners seek to define Brexit as only referring to their own extremist Brexit solution.

 

The figures by constituency look pretty accurate, but are irrelevant pro-Hard Brexit propaganda.

We weren't voting by constituency, we were voting nationally. The only figure that matters if 52%-48%.....and a wafer-thin victory doesn't give you the right to ignore 48% of the population so as to impose your extremist preferences.

It gives you the right to expect Brexit to happen....but not to dictate whatever terms you like. That's why attempts to implement Brexit have stalled: lots of ex-Remain MPs wanting a more moderate Brexit than the Tory Right & DUP are demanding.

 

The EU is far from flawless but what is really rancid is Hard Brexit and the anti-democratic attempt to steamroller a divided nation into extremism for which there is no mandate.

 

p.s. Without the ERG/DUP extremists, May would have been very close to getting her Brexit deal passed yesterday: she lost by 149 and 75 Tories opposed her, mostly Hard Brexit extremists. If they'd all voted the other way, she'd have won.

In reality, with all the ERG/DUP votes she'd have probably been just a handful of votes short (a small minority of the 75 Tories were People's Vote types) - at getting through a deal that delivers an end to free movement and an exit from the Single Market and Customs Union after a transition period, namely a pretty Hard  Brexit. That the extremists should oppose it out of a reckless contempt for the prospect of renewed violence in Ireland (and possibly GB) is beneath contempt.

 

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2 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

 

If Remainer MPs are the problem, why are we not heading for Remain?

 

The European Court has confirmed that the UK has the legal right to revoke its notice to quit. Yet any attempt to do so would have very little support in parliament.

All attempts to even obtain a second referendum have been defeated.....that does not suggest there is currently a Remain majority in parliament seeking to enforce Remain.

 

Superficially, those figures look quite accurate.....but they are figures from 2016. If anything, my guess is that more than 400 MPs supported Remain in 2016.

There might conceivably still be 400 who support either Remain or a Soft Brexit.....but Soft Brexit is a form of Brexit, the clue is in the fvcking name!!

 

The ballot paper in 2016 only said Leave / Remain. It didn't say anything about any particular form of Brexit.

Yet the anti-democratic Hard Brexit campaigners seek to define Brexit as only referring to their own extremist Brexit solution.

 

The figures by constituency look pretty accurate, but are irrelevant pro-Hard Brexit propaganda.

We weren't voting by constituency, we were voting nationally. The only figure that matters if 52%-48%.....and a wafer-thin victory doesn't give you the right to ignore 48% of the population so as to impose your extremist preferences.

It gives you the right to expect Brexit to happen....but not to dictate whatever terms you like. That's why attempts to implement Brexit have stalled: lots of ex-Remain MPs wanting a more moderate Brexit than the Tory Right & DUP are demanding.

 

The EU is far from flawless but what is really rancid is Hard Brexit and the anti-democratic attempt to steamroller a divided nation into extremism for which there is no mandate.

 

p.s. Without the ERG/DUP extremists, May would have been very close to getting her Brexit deal passed yesterday: she lost by 149 and 75 Tories opposed her, mostly Hard Brexit extremists. If they'd all voted the other way, she'd have won.

In reality, with all the ERG/DUP votes she'd have probably been just a handful of votes short (a small minority of the 75 Tories were People's Vote types) - at getting through a deal that delivers an end to free movement and an exit from the Single Market and Customs Union after a transition period, namely a pretty Hard  Brexit. That the extremists should oppose it out of a reckless contempt for the prospect of renewed violence in Ireland (and possibly GB) is beneath contempt.

 

DavieG post is right, this is a stage show for remainers to remain with a charade of making out they are doing what democracy dictates.

 

I put money in it, we will remain, and those remain MP's will have fooled the public

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What I don't understand and I believe you can't  take it off the table but if we end up with a no deal due to the erg/dup alliance we will end up with a hard border anyway.

I also don't see how they or Corbyn can get a better deal than May's deal.

 

If  they don't want a hard border or at least the likelihood of one it's surely now down to Remain or May's deal.

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4 minutes ago, davieG said:

What I don't understand and I believe you can't  take it off the table but if we end up with a no deal due to the erg/dup alliance we will end up with a hard border anyway.

I also don't see how they or Corbyn can get a better deal than May's deal.

 

If  they don't want a hard border or at least the likelihood of one it's surely now down to Remain or May's deal.

The Remainers have won, EU have all the power.

 

 

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52 to 48

 

The idea that taking a shambolic Brexit off the table is anti-democratic isnt very sound

 

I could understand us agreeing a potential deal, then voting between that or no deal or Remain

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11 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

This is a national slow moving tragedy. Schools are massively under funded. They are being deliberately run down as they're forcibly turned into private enterprises.

I am not one of those to moan and groan that the country is falling to ruin, but lately... just everywhere you look, it’s heartbreaking. 

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Do you think we will ever leave ?!

 

Cannot see a deal being accepted any time soon and they have rejected a No deal for now ..

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

 

If Remainer MPs are the problem, why are we not heading for Remain?

 

The European Court has confirmed that the UK has the legal right to revoke its notice to quit. Yet any attempt to do so would have very little support in parliament.

All attempts to even obtain a second referendum have been defeated.....that does not suggest there is currently a Remain majority in parliament seeking to enforce Remain.

 

Superficially, those figures look quite accurate.....but they are figures from 2016. If anything, my guess is that more than 400 MPs supported Remain in 2016.

There might conceivably still be 400 who support either Remain or a Soft Brexit.....but Soft Brexit is a form of Brexit, the clue is in the fvcking name!!

 

The ballot paper in 2016 only said Leave / Remain. It didn't say anything about any particular form of Brexit.

Yet the anti-democratic Hard Brexit campaigners seek to define Brexit as only referring to their own extremist Brexit solution.

 

The figures by constituency look pretty accurate, but are irrelevant pro-Hard Brexit propaganda.

We weren't voting by constituency, we were voting nationally. The only figure that matters if 52%-48%.....and a wafer-thin victory doesn't give you the right to ignore 48% of the population so as to impose your extremist preferences.

It gives you the right to expect Brexit to happen....but not to dictate whatever terms you like. That's why attempts to implement Brexit have stalled: lots of ex-Remain MPs wanting a more moderate Brexit than the Tory Right & DUP are demanding.

 

The EU is far from flawless but what is really rancid is Hard Brexit and the anti-democratic attempt to steamroller a divided nation into extremism for which there is no mandate.

 

p.s. Without the ERG/DUP extremists, May would have been very close to getting her Brexit deal passed yesterday: she lost by 149 and 75 Tories opposed her, mostly Hard Brexit extremists. If they'd all voted the other way, she'd have won.

In reality, with all the ERG/DUP votes she'd have probably been just a handful of votes short (a small minority of the 75 Tories were People's Vote types) - at getting through a deal that delivers an end to free movement and an exit from the Single Market and Customs Union after a transition period, namely a pretty Hard  Brexit. That the extremists should oppose it out of a reckless contempt for the prospect of renewed violence in Ireland (and possibly GB) is beneath contempt.

 

Yes it was only a 52 48 split but take away London and you get a lot closer to the constituency figure.Which is why Labour going down the 2nd ref route is lunacy.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

The ballot paper in 2016 only said Leave / Remain. It didn't say anything about any particular form of Brexit.

Yet the anti-democratic Hard Brexit campaigners seek to define Brexit as only referring to their own extremist Brexit solution.

 

 

 

The EU is far from flawless but what is really rancid is Hard Brexit and the anti-democratic attempt to steamroller a divided nation into extremism for which there is no mandate.

 

 

 

These two parts of your post don't square off. 

 

The ballot paper indeed didn't give any form of Brexit so how is there no mandate for no deal?

In fact the people voted to leave the EU, for which process is invoking Article 50, which provides the for the default position being No Deal. 

MPs voted to invoke article 50 for which the default position is No Deal. 

MPs passed the Withdrawal Act which commits us to leave on the 29th March, two years after invoking article 50, at which the default position was No Deal.

 MPs twice voted against the Withdrawal Agreement, one of only two ways to prevent No Deal and crucially the only way to prevent No Deal and still Brexit. 

 

 

Now that argument has an element of sophistry, but you cannot say the first part and then say the last part. You or I might not like it but there is as much a mandate for No Deal as there is for any other form of Brexit and there is certainly more of a mandate for it than remaining in the EU. If you don't want No Deal, write to your MP and get them to sodding well vote for the WA that will be needed for any Brexit that isn't No Deal (possibly apartfrom EEA/Efta).

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11 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

Do you think we will ever leave ?!

 

Cannot see a deal being accepted any time soon and they have rejected a No deal for now ..

 

 

Nope. I have never thought it would really happen. Mainly because what was promised is unattainable. 

 

I dread to think what will happen though if it does come to that. Fearing Paris style riots. 

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2 minutes ago, Izzy said:

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You have been had..like every single one of the electorate...no matter which side of the divide one sits...

A whole government & opposition actually proffessing to be be honourable,hiding behind the mantel that they are politicians..

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May comprehensively outplayed this evening. Has she lit the touch paper? Will there be (more) Tory resignations?

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7 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

A second referendum is looking inevitable now.

What happens if the result is the same - the same rubbish and failed discussions like now?

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Just now, Wymeswold fox said:

What happens if the result is the same - the same rubbish and failed discussions like now?

 

That would depend on the question asked; it has been suggested it would be a binary choice between May's deal and Remain.

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2 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

A second referendum is looking inevitable now.

It’s only that or a GE that can solve the deadlock. The second referendum would at least guarantee a mandate. A GE might still leave us in this mess.

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Just now, Wymeswold fox said:

What happens if the result is the same - the same rubbish and failed discussions like now?

A second vote should be:

 

Remain

 

Vs

 

A DEFINED version of leave. (Ie one that doesnt promise all to everyone with lots of contradictions)

 

The whole issue was "leave" was never defined.

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Salty Brexiteers kicking off all over social media about a slim majority of MPs voting for the No Deal vote.

 

Stop MOANING, you LOST!

 

Get OVER it!

 

DEMOCRACY! 

 

Also, that absolute sh*tehawk Rees-Mogg saying that the rejection of no-deal Brexit isn't law so we don't have to follow that vote.

 

Guess what, you f**king fart... The 2016 referendum was only advisory too.

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6 minutes ago, Buce said:

A second referendum is looking inevitable now.

Still no majority for it in parliament and the Labour leadership still doing everything it can to avoid it despite it supposedly being policy if they can't get a GE.

 

A GE is likely but I still wouldn't bet against May's deal getting through on the third attempt. 

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