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9 minutes ago, kingfox said:

“He hits Bernard, he’s four foot six” 

 

That line from Neville was the best part of that boring shitfest.

And "Everton have to be better than this, this is boring!":jump:

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4 minutes ago, Foxin_Mad said:

And "Everton have to be better than this, this is boring!":jump:

When he retired from football and sky announced he would be working for them, I thought he would be annoying but for me he just keeps getting better and better, not afraid to say it how it is

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Lets all take a moment to appreciate the fact that Everton spent £35million on Alex Iwobi. 

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Tottenham just seem so average.

 

Don't think a 'past it' manager in Mourinho can make them more competitive and powerful as a club.

Reckon even Hodgson would have achieved as much as Mourinho has there if he was in charge.

 

Someone like the Diego Simeone, who would probably make them more organised and potent, would be a much better fit than the current manager whose reputation has been declining a bit in recent times.

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10 hours ago, jammie82uk said:

When he retired from football and sky announced he would be working for them, I thought he would be annoying but for me he just keeps getting better and better, not afraid to say it how it is

Hes probably the best Sky have really, Carragher is ok too. Even though he is United through and through, he generally doesnt bang on about them too much.

 

10 hours ago, Wymsey said:

Tottenham just seem so average.

 

Don't think a 'past it' manager in Mourinho can make them more competitive and powerful as a club.

Reckon even Hodgson would have achieved as much as Mourinho has there if he was in charge.

 

Someone like the Diego Simeone, who would probably make them more organised and potent, would be a much better fit than the current manager whose reputation has been declining a bit in recent times.

Thing is though for me Spuds are a bang average side, they always have been. Redknapp and Poch had them punching above their weight for a long time. This is just natural order resuming, as they haven't made the continued investment needed to stay there and push on. They concentrated on building the stadium before the club were that level on the field. The only reason anyone takes any notice is because they are from London. I dont know why people get so excited by them. The big traditional long term successful clubs are Liverpool, United and Arsenal, In more recent times Chelsea. Spuds haven't wont anything for a long time and wont IMO.

 

The media wankfest wont hear it but really they are no better than us.

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1 minute ago, Foxin_Mad said:

This is just natural order resuming.

Out of interest, where do Leicester City reside in your 'natural order'?

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1 minute ago, HighPeakFox said:

Out of interest, where do Leicester City reside in your 'natural order'?

We probably exist mid to lower top league, with the occasional relegation and promotion.

 

We are punching well above or weight currently, we have fantastic owners who are building the structure to (hopefully)move to the next level. We are Leicester City we won the Premier league, the natural order never has that happening!!

 

Until Abramovich went to Chelsea they were nothing, same with Man City in League 1 15 years back. Our owners could take us up a step if they get it right. 

 

The trouble for us at present is we are one bad season away from disaster so it's a massively hard task. 

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I was looking at the relegation battle earlier and the remaining fixtures.

 

Norwich - a couple of big games against rivals but too much to do. DOWN (with 3 games to go)

Bournemouth - not many favourable fixtures and a poor run in form. DOWN (with 2 games to go)

Villa - Tough fixtures and doomed. DOWN (with 1 game to go)

Watford - some big games starting tonight, more than capable of picking up a win or two. STAYING UP (with 1 game to go)

West Ham - many simple fixtures and against rivals, will win a couple, decent side. STAYING UP (with 2 games to go)

 

Brighton and anyone above are not worth mentioning.

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1 hour ago, Foxin_Mad said:

We probably exist mid to lower top league, with the occasional relegation and promotion.

 

We are punching well above or weight currently, we have fantastic owners who are building the structure to (hopefully)move to the next level. We are Leicester City we won the Premier league, the natural order never has that happening!!

 

Until Abramovich went to Chelsea they were nothing, same with Man City in League 1 15 years back. Our owners could take us up a step if they get it right. 

 

The trouble for us at present is we are one bad season away from disaster so it's a massively hard task. 

Thank you for the answer. I think a lot of the 'natural order' is to do with financial means, and the rest of it is perception (eg when Sky etc twat on about the big 6). If one repeats something often enough, it becomes true by force, as is shown repeatedly in our every day lives. I don't like it, but that's how it is. 

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Here's one hell of a stat for you. 

 

I mean Man City were rubbish for half of that time but Pep has been with them long enough to do much better than that. 

 

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7 minutes ago, The Bear said:

Here's one hell of a stat for you. 

 

I mean Man City were rubbish for half of that time but Pep has been with them long enough to do much better than that. 

 

 

This is a useless stat without knowing how many of those games were Pep. 

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5 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

This is a useless stat without knowing how many of those games were Pep. 

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1 hour ago, Foxin_Mad said:

We probably exist mid to lower top league, with the occasional relegation and promotion.

 

We are punching well above or weight currently, we have fantastic owners who are building the structure to (hopefully)move to the next level. We are Leicester City we won the Premier league, the natural order never has that happening!!

 

Until Abramovich went to Chelsea they were nothing, same with Man City in League 1 15 years back. Our owners could take us up a step if they get it right. 

 

The trouble for us at present is we are one bad season away from disaster so it's a massively hard task. 

They need to work on the turnover.  Which makes it odd the training ground came ahead of the stadium, the shirt sponsorship (the owners are the sponsors so should be easy to fix, but they dont seem motivated for money to come from themselves).

 

The turnover defines the size of the club really, the muscles it can flex, and its barely changed from our first promotion season.  It only spikes up temporarily when we won the title and CL season.

 

Until turnover is higher then we will be over achieving when we in this area of the league table.

 

Looking at chelsea and man city, it was an initial splurge of cash, but their owners did increase the turnover of those clubs, so they are now actual giants in their position naturally.  Even if that turnover is partially fake(overhyped sponsorship), its still on the balance sheet.

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23 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Are we all looking forward to Leeds, West Brom. and maybe even Forest next year?

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44 minutes ago, The Bear said:

Here's one hell of a stat for you. 

 

I mean Man City were rubbish for half of that time but Pep has been with them long enough to do much better than that. 

 

Are we the one?

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22 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

They need to work on the turnover.  Which makes it odd the training ground came ahead of the stadium, the shirt sponsorship (the owners are the sponsors so should be easy to fix, but they dont seem motivated for money to come from themselves).

 

The turnover defines the size of the club really, the muscles it can flex, and its barely changed from our first promotion season.  It only spikes up temporarily when we won the title and CL season.

 

Until turnover is higher then we will be over achieving when we in this area of the league table.

 

Looking at chelsea and man city, it was an initial splurge of cash, but their owners did increase the turnover of those clubs, so they are now actual giants in their position naturally.  Even if that turnover is partially fake(overhyped sponsorship), its still on the balance sheet.

It is a bit of a chicken-egg situation.

European football brings extra cash and helps to attract better players, which in turn increases the chances of regular European competition and cash generation. problem is you either have to have the players to get you there in the first place, or the cash to buy them.

Our owners plan for sustainable growth is the only way this can be achieved without a massive cash injection and risk of falling foul of FFP rules, which of course weren't in place when Chelsea and man city acquired their rich owners. 

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When i compare us to the clubs we competing against, i am exlcuding TV money, and european money.

 

So I am looking at things like stadium income, commercial income. We are absolutely dwarfed on those.  The one thing that clearly stands out that could be fixed quickly is the king power shirt sponsorship, they could easily add 20 million to it, and it would be considered reasonable for the position we in.

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32 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

When i compare us to the clubs we competing against, i am exlcuding TV money, and european money.

 

So I am looking at things like stadium income, commercial income. We are absolutely dwarfed on those.  The one thing that clearly stands out that could be fixed quickly is the king power shirt sponsorship, they could easily add 20 million to it, and it would be considered reasonable for the position we in.

Sorry, I think asking King Power to contribute more, especially at the moment, is taking the pi$$ a bit.

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1 hour ago, Chrysalis said:

When i compare us to the clubs we competing against, i am exlcuding TV money, and european money.

 

So I am looking at things like stadium income, commercial income. We are absolutely dwarfed on those.  The one thing that clearly stands out that could be fixed quickly is the king power shirt sponsorship, they could easily add 20 million to it, and it would be considered reasonable for the position we in.

 

Doubt there's any prospect of King Power paying more anytime soon tbh. 

 

But generally I think you are right, the fact shirt and stadium sponsorship have not really increased much in recent years shows that keeping them in-house (if you like) has arguably been a drag-anchor on commercial growth. 

 

I was also slightly surprised that we have prioritised the training ground over a stadium expansion - but I think it at least shows original thinking and a laudable attempt to improve the team via young players and development. 

 

Overall I'm pretty happy. Also although Covid-19 will no doubt impede our growth, it might also act to level the field for a time because it will rob clubs like Man Utd and Arsenal of the advantage they have over us from matchday income, etc.  

 

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Watford’s next 2 (Norwich H & Newcastle H) look favourable on paper.

 

West Ham’s next 2 (Burnley H & Norwich A) also look favourable too.

 

Bournemouth could be all but relegated by the time we play them Sunday at 7pm.

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