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Just now, Walkers said:

Corky made a good point earlier on that it's ironic VAR exists today because people can't accept human error, now they seem willing to accept it.

Have to b*tch about something!

 

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1 minute ago, Walkers said:

This is what I don't understand - why is it the sympathy is with the Man City fans having to uncelebrate a goal because it was (correctly) ruled out, when the alternative is Spurs have dropped a point because of a goal that shouldn't have counted? Surely the right decision being made is the most important thing here? Corky made a good point earlier on that it's ironic VAR exists today because people can't accept human error, now they seem willing to accept it.

You haven't followed leicester long have you?

 

We're much rather spurs lose points than almost anything else.

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I can hand on heart say I'd rather be sat here on 0 points and with a 0-1 loss against a competitive rival without VAR than be here with a point and a 0-0 draw with them with it. The time to adapt arguments make no sense either - it's been in football for a couple of years, it's still as shambolic and inconsistent as ever, that's the nature of it. It's over-analysis. When Leicester countered from our free kick we got for the handball last week we ran up and won a corner that Perez handballed twice on the way to getting it - say we scored there, the goal would count. That's just nonsense. Is it seriously worth sacrificing the emotion of euphoria for this? Absolutely not.

 

If you can't celebrate goals without them being double checked then the game's gotten worse and nobody will convince me otherwise no matter how much the new rules back you up.

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2 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

I can hand on heart say I'd rather be sat here on 0 points and with a 0-1 loss against a competitive rival without VAR than be here with a point and a 0-0 draw with them with it. The time to adapt arguments make no sense either - it's been in football for a couple of years, it's still as shambolic and inconsistent as ever, that's the nature of it. It's over-analysis. When Leicester countered from our free kick we got for the handball last week we ran up and won a corner that Perez handballed twice on the way to getting it - say we scored there, the goal would count. That's just nonsense. Is it seriously worth sacrificing the emotion of euphoria for this? Absolutely not.

 

If you can't celebrate goals without them being double checked then the game's gotten worse and nobody will convince me otherwise no matter how much the new rules back you up.

Completely agree some people seriously miss the point, maybe they don’t go to games 

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I'm putting all of the YouTube highlights in this thread at the end of every matchday. Obviously it's no Match of the Day, but it's still decent.

 

The Douglas Luiz cracker for Aston Villa is well worth checking out! Banger!

 

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19 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

You haven't followed leicester long have you?

 

We're much rather spurs lose points than almost anything else.

I'm not arsed who the teams in question are, I stand by my point

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I have to say I was a fan of how VAR was implemented during the World Cup but so far it hasn't worked well in the premier League. The PL is fast paced and exciting and this just doesn't fit in. Also how did Man City not get a penalty?

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A full day of Saturday football, some cracking goals and perform along the way, rounded of with two of the top 3 in the country playing out an entertaining 4 goal game and all we have here is post after post discussing the merits of VAR.

Everywhere I read or listen all anyone is talking about is VAR, it appears to have about a 50/50 split of people who are in favour / against.

This for me isn’t what footballs about, we should be talking Pukki’s hat-trick, still no wins for Watford or how Brighton are looking far better than anyone have them credit for preseason.

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1 minute ago, Aus Fox said:

A full day of Saturday football, some cracking goals and perform along the way, rounded of with two of the top 3 in the country playing out an entertaining 4 goal game and all we have here is post after post discussing the merits of VAR.

Everywhere I read or listen all anyone is talking about is VAR, it appears to have about a 50/50 split of people who are in favour / against.

This for me isn’t what footballs about, we should be talking Pukki’s hat-trick, still no wins for Watford or how Brighton are looking far better than anyone have them credit for preseason.

And if VAR wasn't around, we'd be putting those subjects to ond side and commenting how this ref and that linesman missed the most blatant foul/offside and how unfair football is on us

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Waiting for the moment VAR disappears and the moaners come out in full force about a shite ref, farce etc.

 

I agree VAR has its issues but there has to be some sort of happy medium. Imagine we could win the league but man city scores  a goal off a hand deflection and win the league over us on the last game of the season.  

 

The issue with VAR thought is if you dont call all handballs its down to interpretation again which is where we end up with bad calls. It has to be all or none in the box. Also other issues with it..I think more thought has to go into this and keep it out of the tops leagues until they get it right.

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Just now, Walkers said:

And if VAR wasn't around, we'd be putting those subjects to ond side and commenting how this ref and that linesman missed the most blatant foul/offside and how unfair football is on us

Which one exactly would we be talking about after today?

Do you think seriously anyone would be complaining about Man City’s goal not being disallowed?

What big decisions would have been missed today?

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Having firstly thought var was a good idea it is now an absolute disaster.  Every time i see a goal now either on tele or down the kp im not going to be able to celebrate until they have kicked off again, its a good idea in principle that is going to destroy football as we know it. Its bullshit. 

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20 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

Which one exactly would we be talking about after today?

Do you think seriously anyone would be complaining about Man City’s goal not being disallowed?

What big decisions would have been missed today?

Well with the new rule that we benefitted from last week people should probably be complaining. I don't know much of what happened in todays games but yet again, i'm not just speaking of todays football, it would be over the course of the season. Virtually every game last season you'll have a manager complaining about atleast one thing the ref didn't do for his team

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3 hours ago, ARTY_FOX said:

In my dream team, league dependant. The one that counts not as good as I would like lol how about you? 

 

I think that sort of accusation could be met with a permanent ban for the accuser lol 

 

yes, can’t wait for the return of Nate. Also hope Stipe wins by brutal KO 

Less than average tbh. In FPL In have 32 points at the moment.

 

 

Stipe has to finish him in the first 2 rounds because DC is very tough. And also, Yoel is also fighting 😁

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58 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

Human error wasn’t the problem for me ...    I’ve played football most of my life and that was never an issue ...   the problem for me is blatant cheating ...    if VAR stops that and penalises those cheating cvnts then brilliant !    The game has improved..

I don't have a problem with VAR unless they start using it to add additional ad revenue to the game and for every damn call.

Funny and strange that when I played other sports in my youth there was always a sense of honor and doing the right thing (not cheating or taking advantage of the rules}.

Interesting how it mirrors the most important aspects of being human.

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Seems like an unpopular opinion but I like VAR. But I want the rule to change and to put a restriction on it of 3 challenges per game for both teams  (as an option where the manager can use it review a previous action).

 

A team isn't allowed to use VAR for more than 3 times which will make it another tactical tool to use (I imagine many would use their challenges to give their team a break,  take a breather and regroup). 

 

 

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All I'm hanging on to is that VAR is the same for all teams. Man City probably wouldn't have won the PL last season or Cardiff City got relegated had VAR been in operation. It will, if nothing else, go some way in evening out the 'big' club bias and 'homer' referees that has plagued football for decades. 

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Not sure that the VAR lines that go up the screen are even a straight line itself at times..

Technology is becoming too fast in today's world, and football could be a victim of it.

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50 minutes ago, Aus Fox said:

This for me isn’t what footballs about,

Discussions about the actual football died when wall to wall tv and the internet replaced post match analysis down the pub baesed on what you remembered from the game. Now it’s all about the refs, managers, footballer and fan behaviour and next to nothing about the goals often because they’ve been or will be replayed to death.

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2 minutes ago, davieG said:

Discussions about the actual football died when wall to wall tv and the internet replaced post match analysis down the pub baesed on what you remembered from the game. Now it’s all about the refs, managers, footballer and fan behaviour and next to nothing about the goals often because they’ve been or will be replayed to death.

Sad but true

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2 hours ago, spacemunky said:

To me that was a good goal by Jesus. There was no intent to play it to him illegally by Laporte. To stop it and slow it down and analyze every goal for any reason is just too much IMO.

 

 

But if it was against Leicester....You would be telling the ref to go to specsavers....and he should be taking himself in the hand....Gu

 

Easy to complain und take sides....no matter which side of the street one stands....We Live in the technical world....it seems the chips are starting to mount on peoples shoulders....

Greatgrandads didnt use to like Rock n roll,!!!! But secretly listened to jazz, unknown to their parents....

VAR is jazzy,but needs to get up to Rock n roll,and swing into some twist n shout..!! 

 While the dancing public und media needs to find their rythme,

for something they have been screaming out und over for  years . Free VAR and liberation,and ref emancipation...!!:yahoo:

 

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1 hour ago, foxfanazer said:

I have to say I was a fan of how VAR was implemented during the World Cup but so far it hasn't worked well in the premier League. The PL is fast paced and exciting and this just doesn't fit in. Also how did Man City not get a penalty?

That's what I found strange about VAR. The final goal was rightfully overturned,  but by the very same token why wasn't Man City given a pen in the 1st half, when Lamela had a player in a headlock from a corner. If I was a Man City supporter I'd be p*ssed off, not because of the final goal decision, but because of the double standards the VAR officials showed. 

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VAR is never going to be a magic fix. It is just another referee looking at a video several times. A clear and obvious error to us might be different to theirs.

 

It was always going to bring talking points because it is still a subjective thing. Although now we have a definitive thing causing annoyance.

 

I'd get rid of it at the end of the season. I didn't want it but you can't get rid mid-season. Bin this off and accept crap decisions by humans.

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16 minutes ago, sm1 said:

That's what I found strange about VAR. The final goal was rightfully overturned,  but by the very same token why wasn't Man City given a pen in the 1st half, when Lamela had a player in a headlock from a corner. If I was a Man City supporter I'd be p*ssed off, not because of the final goal decision, but because of the double standards the VAR officials showed. 

The judgement probably that Rodrigo may have initiated the contact between them and therefore did oliver’s decision not to award a pen amount to a ‘clear and obvious error?

 

The handball was a matter of fact and therefore, like offside, not debatable -simply corrected by the VAR official 

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