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3 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

He's got nothing to apologise for really.  Respect is a two way street and Arsenal fans have form for being completely horrible to their own players.  If anyone should apologise it should be the club for not supporting him at what is clearly a difficult time for him and his family.  

 

The real issue here is the Arsenal fans sense of entitlement that they should be as good as Man City or Liverpool and when things don't go their way turn on their players and manager in an extreme way. Look at all the scapegoats they've had over the years more than most other clubs.  

Agreed, Xhaka may be part of the problem but he's not to blame to where Arsenal find themselves as a club, if the fans really want to direct their ire at someone they should do it more forcefully at those that run the club or sign the players.  They've needed a dominating physical centre back who can actually defend and a powerful midfield destroyer for about a decade and have done nothing to address that.  Until they do they'll always have a soft centre and bottle it and achieve nothing.

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4 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

But he's right about the subject matter he's moaning about, the mere fact a player goes down because he 'felt' a touch is ruining the game and if true about top managers advising him to not be vocal then they are as much to blame.

Maybe he should start with his own squad first :dunno:

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**** apologising. 

 

if you want your club's footballers to give 100% then get behind them and call out any dickhead fans within your base who think it's OK to treat someone like that just because they didn't kick a piece of round leather in the way they wanted.

 

unacceptable behaviour irrespective of profession

 

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2 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Maybe he should start with his own squad first :dunno:

Agreed Arty, but doesn't matter who's moaning about it subject matter still stands and if managers are trying to dampen voices again not good for the game.

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26 minutes ago, Wortho said:

Was is it with Arsenal and their captains imploding. Gallas, Van Persie, Koscielny and now Xhaka. They are a joke of a club.

They select some absolutely shockers don't they? People who clearly don't give a shit. 

 

Total contrast to the previous decades as well when it was Adams, Vieira, Petit and Henry.

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6 hours ago, MattP said:

Probably for the unpopular opinions thread but....

 

I find this stuff so weird these days that you can seemingly do anything now and just blame the abuse you are getting on social media for why you are doing it. Anonymous twats say things on the Internet - they always will.

 

He should have apologised for his behaviour and moved on, blaming it on a few virgins on Instragram looking for a reaction is so 2019 - you are the captain of a football club, take some responsibility for yourself.

 

Same with politicians, I'm not standing as people are cruel to me on Twitter, Thatcher gave a speech to a conference four hours after the IRA murdered some of her friends and tried to blow her up to show them they couldn't win and she wasn't scared of them.

 

Soft as shit the lot of them, show some backbone, if social media posts upset you to the point you can't control yourself you probably don't have the mental fortitude to be a captain anyway.

The thing is they may be trolls and empty words, but working with children who have cancer, sitting in a room where you are part of a team telling someone their child has cancer, somebody wishing that on your child is enough to make anyone’s blood boil, be it parent or professional. Wishing utter devastation on someone’s family is enough to distress anyone. A few arseholes in a stand being told to **** off after shouting it at someone pails into insignificance. When you are getting that on a daily basis, it will push you over the edge. Add the security issues Arsenal had involving Kolasinac and Ozil at the start of the season, I think it’s understandable that the guy might feel under a real threat 

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2 hours ago, purpleronnie said:

I've never heard of xG...I still don't know what it is, is it some social media thang?

No it's used by probably every top flight club in major leagues to some degree or other. It works out (roughly in the case of publicly accessible models) the chance of scoring from a certain position, whether it's a shot, a header, the number of defenders in the way of the ball, keeper's position etc. Football is a low scoring game  (when we're not playing Southampton) so results aren't always that representative. 

 

I'm a fan of xG but it's overused with small sample sizes. Football also has a lot of variance so last season when Man Utd were on that run under Solskjaer xG models basically said there massively over-performing and would revert to the mean because they were scoring from relatively few, weak chances. "The only stat that matters is goals" diatribe is wrong because you can get battered and win - doesn't bode well for the future. In our case we're being more clinical than what's likely, which is great but does show that it's not going to carry on forever.

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35 minutes ago, DerbyshireFox said:

The thing is they may be trolls and empty words, but working with children who have cancer, sitting in a room where you are part of a team telling someone their child has cancer, somebody wishing that on your child is enough to make anyone’s blood boil, be it parent or professional. Wishing utter devastation on someone’s family is enough to distress anyone. A few arseholes in a stand being told to **** off after shouting it at someone pails into insignificance. When you are getting that on a daily basis, it will push you over the edge. Add the security issues Arsenal had involving Kolasinac and Ozil at the start of the season, I think it’s understandable that the guy might feel under a real threat 

I think Matt is saying that those people who are going and abusing his family like that are absolute scumbags and absolutely should **** off. But there are 60k fans that go to Arsenal games and pay good money to do so. If they think someone is having a shit game they're entitled to tell them. The club captain telling the supporters to **** off isn't a good look and it wouldn't have been difficult for him to apologise to the match going fans that don't send messages wishing cancer etc. Hes essentially painted the entire Arsenal fan base with the same brush which isn't fair 

 

 

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2 hours ago, purpleronnie said:

I've never heard of xG...I still don't know what it is, is it some social media thang?

There are several different xG models which take into account different things, but ultimately its an attempt to define the average %chance of scoring given the circumstances behind a shot (based on an analysis of tens of thousands of shot chances). So that might mean a 40-yard shot has an xG of 0.05 whereas a penalty has an xG of 0.8. 

 

The problem is that whist its a good metric for looking at things on a large scale, when looking at individuals or teams it can be heavily skewed. For instance, Man City (and now, Leicester) have a much higher Goals Scored stat than their xG suggests, but that's because they're just more clinical strikers who are better at putting away difficult chances. There's lots of talk about 'regressing to the mean' and saying that our form is 'unsustainable', but thats just a lack of understanding of the model and how its developed. 

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10 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

I think Matt is saying that those people who are going and abusing his family like that are absolute scumbags and absolutely should **** off. But there are 60k fans that go to Arsenal games and pay good money to do so. If they think someone is having a shit game they're entitled to tell them. The club telling the supporters to **** off isn't a good luck and it working have been difficult for him to apologise to the match going fans that don't send messages wishing cancer etc. Hes essentially painted the entire Arsenal fan base with the same brush which isn't fair 

 

 

That’s fine in the stadium - to a point. Outside a stadium that would not be tolerated. There is always going to be an element on banter and criticism within a stadium, but there is a fine line. He should not have reacted as he did, but under strain and stress that would test the best of us, I think his reaction is perfectly understandable. You could give an opposing player stick for an hour, then he scores and celebrates in front of a crowd and people go mad and get wound up. If it’s being dished out, don’t be surprised if it comes back at you. Everyone has their breaking point, and just because he wears a football shirt and is well paid, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have his. There will have been plenty of fans in that stadium aware of the sort of stick he’s been getting. He shouldn’t react as he did, he made a mistake. His manager needs to take him out of the firing line to take the pressure off of him and take some heat out of the situation

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11 minutes ago, DerbyshireFox said:

That’s fine in the stadium - to a point. Outside a stadium that would not be tolerated. There is always going to be an element on banter and criticism within a stadium, but there is a fine line. He should not have reacted as he did, but under strain and stress that would test the best of us, I think his reaction is perfectly understandable. You could give an opposing player stick for an hour, then he scores and celebrates in front of a crowd and people go mad and get wound up. If it’s being dished out, don’t be surprised if it comes back at you. Everyone has their breaking point, and just because he wears a football shirt and is well paid, it doesn’t mean he doesn’t have his. There will have been plenty of fans in that stadium aware of the sort of stick he’s been getting. He shouldn’t react as he did, he made a mistake. His manager needs to take him out of the firing line to take the pressure off of him and take some heat out of the situation

I'm not saying he shouldn't have done it. We all do daft shit in the heat of the moment when we're under pressure and emotional.

 

But he's no longer under that pressure. He should be apologising to honest Arsenal fans for his behaviour because it was out of order.

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I feel sorry for anyone that does genuinely think Xhaka was in the wrong. If you think it's okay to dish out abuse to someone and then not expect anything back then you're either naive, soft or dense.

 

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1 hour ago, AKCJ said:

I'm not saying he shouldn't have done it. We all do daft shit in the heat of the moment when we're under pressure and emotional.

 

But he's no longer under that pressure. He should be apologising to honest Arsenal fans for his behaviour because it was out of order.

But how do we know he still isn’t under that pressure. You can’t just say, well he’s  kicked off once so he must be fine now. That isn’t how stress works!! Honest they may be, but they were all giving him pelters despite knowing the pressure the guy is under. We are all passionate about our teams, put people really need to see beyond football and realise these guys aren’t just robots. If a group of people in your workplace stood around you for 90 minutes everyday telling you to F off and carried on with worse online after you’d got home, the least you would probably do after a while is repeat it back to them. 

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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/11850939/jurgen-klopp-says-theres-too-much-football-for-english-clubs

 

Too much football? Piss off. You play 6 European games before Christmas for ****'s sake, that is the equivalent of an FA Cup or League Cup run. If you reach the final that is 13 games which is more than both cups combined (without replays).

 

Fed up of these managers who are quite happy to play loads of European matches, with one round stretched out over 4 separate midweeks, thus reducing the availability of league games being spread out, moaning about our domestic schedule.

 

Time to call them out- if you don't want to be in the cups, don't enter. Face the wrath of fans or whatever but don't enter then complain. Or, change the Champions League to a straight knockout, 32 teams played over the whole season. But then you wouldn't want the reduced revenues from those matches being removed, would you?

 

By the middle of December, Wolves will have had to play 12 Europa League games, yet we play too much football? Nonsense.

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8 hours ago, MattP said:

Fair enough.

 

I suppose hearing a bomb go off down the corridor that was intended to blow you up is bad, but obviously not as upsetting as someone calling you a name on Twitter. 

Come on, Matt, I'm not just talking social media. In recent years we've had MP's being threatened with physical attacks as they walk about the street, many feel unsafe and exposed when holding surgeries, and have you already forgotten how Jo Cox was murdered?

 

That's my last contribution to this discussion, though, as we're wandering into the political arena rather than football. Apologies to everyone for this diversion.

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1 minute ago, The Bear said:

We're due a win at Arsenal. Should have beaten them last season there but for a late equaliser. 

Bad news for you, Xhaka as been left out.

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1 minute ago, The Bear said:

We're due a win at Arsenal. Should have beaten them last season there but for a late equaliser. 

Arsenal are really awful. Go get 'em

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