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59 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Really? Pep gets rimmed by the media, you can't really dress that up any other way.

 

And in reference to your last point, that's just atrocious management. They needed a CB last year, let alone when Kompany left. He has Stones and Otamendi fit yet still wants to play Fernandinho there. Even played Rodri alongside him when the other 2 were fit.

 

Maybe he shouldn't have spent £30 mil on Cancelo and got rid of adequate back up in Danilo and bought a CB.

 

Phenomenal coach. But this nonsense of not having money to spend and refusing to strengthen an area they desperately needed, says a lot about his blind arrogance.

 

He's not a manager, though. He's a coach. He's never been a "manager" in the old school British sense. He's always worked with a director of football and Man City have a whole transfer committee lead by Al Mubarak and Txiki Begiristain. 

 

His job is to coach the first team and pick the match day squad, not to identify and sign players. I'm sure he gets a say but holding him responsible for not having more defensive options is daft. 

 

Plus, Otamendi clearly hasn't been completely fit and the injury to Laporte was horrendously unfortunately. 

 

I'd agree that he's over estimated the ability of Fernandino and Rodri to play at centre back but you live and learn by those mistakes and I don't think he'd actually deny that in private but he's hardly going to row back in public and slate those players defensively, even if it was indirectly by blaming himself for picking them. 

 

And I didn't suggest he wasn't usually treated fairly well by the press, I was saying that in this instance he's been taken out of context in order to spin a narrative, ie trying to make them look daft by claiming he's moaning about not being able to compete due to resources. 

 

What I'm saying is that that's not really what he said, what he said was they can't compete at the moment because they're basically not playing well enough. That's hard to argue with. 

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11 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

He's not a manager, though. He's a coach. He's never been a "manager" in the old school British sense. He's always worked with a director of football and Man City have a whole transfer committee lead by Al Mubarak and Txiki Begiristain. 

 

His job is to coach the first team and pick the match day squad, not to identify and sign players. I'm sure he gets a say but holding him responsible for not having more defensive options is daft. 

 

Plus, Otamendi clearly hasn't been completely fit and the injury to Laporte was horrendously unfortunately. 

 

I'd agree that he's over estimated the ability of Fernandino and Rodri to play at centre back but you live and learn by those mistakes and I don't think he'd actually deny that in private but he's hardly going to row back in public and slate those players defensively, even if it was indirectly by blaming himself for picking them. 

 

And I didn't suggest he wasn't usually treated fairly well by the press, I was saying that in this instance he's been taken out of context in order to spin a narrative, ie trying to make them look daft by claiming he's moaning about not being able to compete due to resources. 

 

What I'm saying is that that's not really what he said, what he said was they can't compete at the moment because they're basically not playing well enough. That's hard to argue with. 

I dunno though Finners. Whilst I appreciate there is that structure and he would undoubtedly see himself as a coach, more than a manager, he is treated like a deity at Man City and I guarantee he not only has the final say on transfers but also has the first word. Regardless, he's been so dismissive of the need for a centre back that I don't think you can really say they've been that unlucky. Of course, losing Laporte is massive but a club with the resources of Man City cannot really use that as an excuse because the other 2 weren't out for that long.

 

Take us next year; Wes leaves and we don't sign a Centre back. Evans gets crocked for 6 months, then Söyüncü and Benkovic are out for a few weeks. That would be ridiculous. But it wouldn't be ridiculously unlucky because you're only losing one CB for a long term. The ridiculous part is not signing a CB. Wouldn't you lay the blame at Rodgers door for not bringing in another CB? I would, even if not entirely his fault. And BR probably sees himself as a coach like Pep. That's why I can't cut him any slack.

 

Reading the comments again, you're probably right (although quite why you'd say you can't compete with a team that's still many points below you in the table is silly). However, the media love the guy and always pat him on the back. I do find he does make some really childish/entitled comments which he never gets pulled up on. I don't want to belittle his amazing achievements Man City but the guy has never had a challenging job. Took over Rijkaard's team at Barca (and he was responsible for one of the worst transfers in history by giving Inter Etoo and £40m for Zlatan), then took what I'd argue was the strongest squad I've ever seen at Bayern and took them backwards (of course still won plenty)

 

It's for those reason I don't like the guy and he'll never get any sympathy from me.

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20 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

He's not a manager, though. He's a coach. He's never been a "manager" in the old school British sense. He's always worked with a director of football and Man City have a whole transfer committee lead by Al Mubarak and Txiki Begiristain. 

 

His job is to coach the first team and pick the match day squad, not to identify and sign players. I'm sure he gets a say but holding him responsible for not having more defensive options is daft. 

 

Plus, Otamendi clearly hasn't been completely fit and the injury to Laporte was horrendously unfortunately. 

 

I'd agree that he's over estimated the ability of Fernandino and Rodri to play at centre back but you live and learn by those mistakes and I don't think he'd actually deny that in private but he's hardly going to row back in public and slate those players defensively, even if it was indirectly by blaming himself for picking them. 

 

And I didn't suggest he wasn't usually treated fairly well by the press, I was saying that in this instance he's been taken out of context in order to spin a narrative, ie trying to make them look daft by claiming he's moaning about not being able to compete due to resources. 

 

What I'm saying is that that's not really what he said, what he said was they can't compete at the moment because they're basically not playing well enough. That's hard to argue with. 

Why does he keep using John Stones then , at Everton they dropped him and brought Jagielka back and last season he brought Kompany back in himself . Stones should have been switched to midfield long ago , he cannot be trusted as a centre back. Pep rarely makes mistakes but he has f**led up completely with this.

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1 minute ago, dmayne7 said:

Whilst I appreciate there is that structure and he would undoubtedly see himself as a coach, more than a manager, he is treated like a deity at Man City and I guarantee he not only has the final say on transfers but also has the first word. Regardless, he's been so dismissive of the need for a centre back that I don't think you can really say they've been that unlucky.

 

I have to be honest, I think you're underestimating Mubarak a little there. Whilst it's definitely true that they very much wanted Guardiola, very much built the club in the image of his Barcelona in anticipation of him arriving, I think deity is a bit much. 

 

Al Mubarak is a very hard, very, very shrewd businessman who is extremely demanding of those at the club and not at all eager to part with cash. There's been several high profile cases of City being in for players like Sanchez and Maguire over the last few years and refusing to pull the trigger because they won't be bullied for price and because they're ruthless with their cost vs benefit analysis before they do. 

 

I know they're viewed as a big spending club and they do have vast resources but they absolutely don't throw needless money around for the sakes of it. They bartered for every penny with us for Riyad and even then were slow to pay a club record fee at a surprisingly low 60 odd. They're not like United or Real or even Barca, just wastefully throwing around vast amounts based on their reserves of debt. 

 

How many Man City signings are there that were high profile flops as a result of poorly researched, high risk, high value transfers? It doesn't happen. 

 

I personally think he'll have done an appraisal of where they're at, told Pep that performances aren't good enough for what they've spent, told them this season is over, forget the title and that he's not wasting money on defenders to try and hunt down Liverpool when it's futile. I reckon they're confident in getting Laporte back for the CL knock out phases and they're just targeting that. 

 

For me, Pep claiming they don't need defenders now smacks of Arsene Wenger claiming there was money to spend after the Emirates was built but that he just didn't need to spend it. I think it's bullshit, personally, it's just the manager as the public voice of the club towing the party line for the billionaires behind the scenes. 

 

Of course this is purely speculative and subjective so who knows. Maybe you're right. 

 

TLDR: Pep might be the golden boy but Al Mubarak wears the trousers make no mistake. 

 

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10 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Why does he keep using John Stones then , at Everton they dropped him and brought Jagielka back and last season he brought Kompany back in himself . Stones should have been switched to midfield long ago , he cannot be trusted as a centre back. Pep rarely makes mistakes but he has f**led up completely with this.

 

Because Stones has one of the highest pass completion rates of any defender in the league and a Man City CB is a wall pass option just as much as a stopper. Tactically they're reliant on having good ball players to sit there and recycle possession, receiving balls back from the wide men when they're being pressed. 

 

Yeah, the ideal CB is someone that can do that whilst being fantastic defensively but how many Gérard Piques are there really in the world? 

 

Almost every quality ball playing CB in football has moments of defensive disaster. Hummels, Stones, Luiz, Maguire, all these guys have been enormous value targets for huge clubs and they're all prone to errors. 

 

I don't think Pep is wrong to want defenders that can do that. It's hard to argue his system isn't a good one when he's won so much with it. 

 

I think if you sat down and spoke to Pep and Arteta at the moment about the plight of the side, they'd tell you not to only blame centre halves and that they're not defending well enough collectively as a whole team and aren't keeping the ball and controlling the game well enough as a whole team and that if they were, there'd be less pressure and attention on the centre halves anyway. 

 

They'd probably have a point. 

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4 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

Shakey signed by watford shock!

 

Definitely going to have something in my eye seeing those pair back together on MOTD.

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1 minute ago, Langston said:

Definitely going to have something in my eye seeing those pair back together on MOTD.

Please tell me you're joking... :) 

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Just now, Langston said:

 

Definitely going to have something in my eye seeing those pair back together on MOTD.

The snag is I dont know what the prob is at Watford... niges strength is sticking with grafting players who want to improve...turfing out big time Charlie's.

Imo arsenal could use decoure.... but watford will need him.  Villa were worse than watford.  Goodluck to nige and shakey

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19 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Because Stones has one of the highest pass completion rates of any defender in the league and a Man City CB is a wall pass option just as much as a stopper. Tactically they're reliant on having good ball players to sit there and recycle possession, receiving balls back from the wide men when they're being pressed. 

 

Yeah, the ideal CB is someone that can do that whilst being fantastic defensively but how many Gérard Piques are there really in the world? 

 

Almost every quality ball playing CB in football has moments of defensive disaster. Hummels, Stones, Luiz, Maguire, all these guys have been enormous value targets for huge clubs and they're all prone to errors. 

 

I don't think Pep is wrong to want defenders that can do that. It's hard to argue his system isn't a good one when he's won so much with it. 

 

I think if you sat down and spoke to Pep and Arteta at the moment about the plight of the side, they'd tell you not to only blame centre halves and that they're not defending well enough collectively as a whole team and aren't keeping the ball and controlling the game well enough as a whole team and that if they were, there'd be less pressure and attention on the centre halves anyway. 

 

They'd probably have a point. 

Stones can use the ball, his skill levels are good , his tackling is fine and he is good in the air . His positioning is dreadful and his reading of the game is mediocre, in truth he is not clever enough and at the top level you need a brain like Jonny Evans . As a defensive midfielder he might be OK.

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Watford got some decent players. Pearson should be able to get a tune out of them.

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42 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

Why does he keep using John Stones then , at Everton they dropped him and brought Jagielka back and last season he brought Kompany back in himself . Stones should have been switched to midfield long ago , he cannot be trusted as a centre back. Pep rarely makes mistakes but he has f**led up completely with this.

The new breed of ball playing centre back who actually first and foremost aren’t particularly good at defending, Stones and Luiz being the best examples, they both received a lot of media adoration for their passing skills playing out from the back but in reality they’re not very good at what they’re there for, defending.

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If you were a manager with a decent striker signed in the summer, how would you set up at home against an Arsenal side who:-

- haven't won in 9
- conceded 17 in all their away games (all comps), including 11 in the away league games

- haven't kept a clean sheet since 6th October

- last away clean sheet (league) was back on first day of the season against Newcastle.

 

Would you set up playing a lone striker who's natural position is a winger?

 

Because that's what Pellegrini has done. Haller on the bench and Antonio up front on his own. 

 

This is the last 2 months for Arsenal lol

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3 minutes ago, StanSP said:

If you were a manager with a decent striker signed in the summer, how would you set up at home against an Arsenal side who:-

- haven't won in 9
- conceded 17 in all their away games (all comps), including 11 in the away league games

- haven't kept a clean sheet since 6th October

- last away clean sheet (league) was back on first day of the season against Newcastle.

 

Would you set up playing a lone striker who's natural position is a winger?

 

Because that's what Pellegrini has done. Haller on the bench and Antonio up front on his own. 

 

This is the last 2 months for Arsenal lol

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Ahhh the classic Puel move, drop the striker and play a winger, remind me how that turned out for him?

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3 minutes ago, StanSP said:

If you were a manager with a decent striker signed in the summer, how would you set up at home against an Arsenal side who:-

- haven't won in 9
- conceded 17 in all their away games (all comps), including 11 in the away league games

- haven't kept a clean sheet since 6th October

- last away clean sheet (league) was back on first day of the season against Newcastle.

 

Would you set up playing a lone striker who's natural position is a winger?

 

Because that's what Pellegrini has done. Haller on the bench and Antonio up front on his own. 

 

This is the last 2 months for Arsenal lol

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Relegation form

 

West Ham v Arsenal tonight could be a race to the bottom... 

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2 minutes ago, stripeyfox said:

Relegation form

 

West Ham v Arsenal tonight could be a race to the bottom... 

Pretty much.

Last 8 games have Arsenal in 14th on 7 points. Would only be 2 points above 18th.

 

West Ham are bottom of the 8-game form table!

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Oh **** off I don't know if I can watch this. 

 

Every time I switch an Arsenal game on I forget how much Lucas Torreira boils my piss. If I can ban anyone from the sport for life I think it'd be him. 

 

Potentially the single worst diver in the League's history. Not since Drogba has a player made me so angry to watch. 

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Torreira there at the corner ffs. Little brush on the face lol. He's not even looking at the ball so if he fouls Ogbonna is that a penalty? I doubt it.

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Just now, Finnegan said:

Oh **** off I don't know if I can watch this. 

 

Every time I switch an Arsenal game on I forget how much Lucas Torreira boils my piss. If I can ban anyone from the sport for life I think it'd be him. 

 

Potentially the single worst diver in the League's history. Not since Drogba has a player made me so angry to watch. 

It's fantastic that the result of this match is of no interest to LCFC supporters. I genuinely have nothing invested in this (not even FPL wise)

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