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1 minute ago, Unabomber said:

Seems harsh 

well harsh when you consider that if it hits the defenders arm it's not handball but if it hits the striker's arm it is. how can that work. 

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Right. 

 

Anyone questioning that needs to realise the hand aids Rice being able to play the pass and assist Snodgrass. 

 

The hand doesnt come into play that phase of play doesnt happen and Rice gets forced wide. 

 

Quite simple really. 

 

I would argue however that's point blank range but yeah, handball. 

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I know its a bit harsh but...

 

Couldn't happen to a nicer team :D

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Just now, Unabomber said:

Seems harsh 

Not really. Takes away the interpretation angle of different referees views and it's clear for literally everyone. If the ball hits the arm and it leads to a goal, it gets chalked off. Simple as. 

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Clubs signed up to this. Clubs can get rid of it if they want.

 

Up to them now to accept it or change it.

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State of Sheffield United fans celebrating it. Wasn't a long ago they were all saying how bad VAR is after the Newcastle game.

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1 minute ago, StanSP said:

Not really. Takes away the interpretation angle of different referees views and it's clear for literally everyone. If the ball hits the arm and it leads to a goal, it gets chalked off. Simple as. 

but how can it be handball if the striker does it but not handball if the defender does it, just because of what happens 30 seconds later? it's absolute bollocks. 

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You can't celebrate a goal anymore.

 

The first thought after every goal now is what will VAR have spotted.

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1 minute ago, Corky said:

Clubs signed up to this. Clubs can get rid of it if they want.

 

Up to them now to accept it or change it.

Can they? Thought it was Premier League deciding it? 

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Just now, ScouseFox said:

but how can it be handball if the striker does it but not handball if the defender does it, just because of what happens 30 seconds later? it's absolute bollocks. 

Yeah that point I'll agree with in that it's odd for attackers and defenders. But everyone knows that's the case and people blaming VAR here are pointing their anger in the wrong direction... 

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1 minute ago, StanSP said:

Not really. Takes away the interpretation angle of different referees views and it's clear for literally everyone. If the ball hits the arm and it leads to a goal, it gets chalked off. Simple as. 

Its a shit rule that's completely inconsistent with how handball is applied otherwise. It's absolute nonsense to have a rule that depends entirely on the outcome of the situation. The funny thing is, if Snodgrass has the option to square it and they score from that it's not disallowed, yet what would really be the difference

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3 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Not really. Takes away the interpretation angle of different referees views and it's clear for literally everyone. If the ball hits the arm and it leads to a goal, it gets chalked off. Simple as. 

Yeah it definitely is a harsh rule 

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5 minutes ago, Nalis said:

I know its a bit harsh but...

 

Couldn't happen to a nicer team :D

... or manager

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If he doesn't control it with his arm the goal doesn't go in. I have no issue with those getting ruled out.

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3 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

You can't celebrate a goal anymore.

 

The first thought after every goal now is what will VAR have spotted.

The West Ham players, manager and fans seemed to celebrate.

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9 minutes ago, jammie82uk said:

If the ball don’t hit his arm he then doesn’t get control of the ball and wouldn’t be able to set up the goal 

 

6 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Right. 

 

Anyone questioning that needs to realise the hand aids Rice being able to play the pass and assist Snodgrass. 

 

The hand doesnt come into play that phase of play doesnt happen and Rice gets forced wide. 

 

Quite simple really. 

 

I would argue however that's point blank range but yeah, handball. 

 

Just now, ealingfox said:

If he doesn't control it with his arm the goal doesn't go in. I have no issue with those getting ruled out.

Totally agree - where is the problem .....the contact with the arm creates the chance for the pass and the goal ......that’s what the new law is for ....hands and arms cannot be involved in scoring goals .........whether it’s the scorer or the creator of the scoring opp ......I like the rule - the defender will argue that he got his head to it to clear and rice’s arm gets in the way ....

 

I appreciate people will argue about it being different for defenders and contact with the arm but that risks people just blasting the ball at arms or flicking it at hands in the area to get pens ......

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6 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

 

 

Totally agree - where is the problem .....the contact with the arm creates the chance for the pass and the goal ......that’s what the new law is for ....hands and arms cannot be involved in scoring goals .........whether it’s the scorer or the creator of the scoring opp ......I like the rule - the defender will argue that he got his head to it to clear and rice’s arm gets in the way ....

 

I appreciate people will argue about it being different for defenders and contact with the arm but that risks people just blasting the ball at arms or flicking it at hands in the area to get pens ......

But again, if Snodgrass has the option to square it, does so and West Ham score, the goal stands. Yet the ball still wouldn't have gone in had it not been for the initial ball hitting the hand, the chance for the goal would still never have come about without it. Which makes it an utter nonsense. 

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21 minutes ago, Ashley said:

Right. 

 

Anyone questioning that needs to realise the hand aids Rice being able to play the pass and assist Snodgrass. 

 

The hand doesnt come into play that phase of play doesnt happen and Rice gets forced wide. 

 

Quite simple really. 

 

I would argue however that's point blank range but yeah, handball. 

What if it went for a corner from the final shot and they scored from that? 

 

What if a Sheffield Utd player had touched it with his hand and it prevented an assist or a goal -isn’t it the same principle? 
 

Is Rice supposed to kick the ball out of play in case they score?

 

You can see how it’s stupid.

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36 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

 

 

It's the shitty handball rule that's the issue , nothing about VAR. 

No VAR a goal after all would spot it in real time?

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I would say least its consistent on handball but we've had 3 goals against us with such incidents miss (and admitted by the Premier league)

 

So really as pointed out above VAR isn't doing  much to sort out controversial incidents - just adding to them.

 

Having said that someone somewhere would be complaining if that goal had stood!

 

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