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10 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

What if it went for a corner from the final shot and they scored from that? 

 

What if a Sheffield Utd player had touched it with his hand and it prevented an assist or a goal -isn’t it the same principle? 
 

Is Rice supposed to kick the ball out of play in case they score?

 

You can see how it’s stupid.

What if it went for a corner from the final shot and they scored from that?   Then it wouldn’t matter

 

What if a Sheffield Utd player had touched it with his hand and it prevented an assist or a goal -isn’t it the same principle?   Depends if the defender has made himself ‘bigger’ by use of his arm 
 

Is Rice supposed to kick the ball out of play in case they score?  Players need to become cuter ....if they know it’s touched their arm then they need to keep possession rather than shoot or make a chance creating pass  

 

I accept that many will think the new law is an ass but on balance in think it’s one of the better changes made over last couple years 

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16 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

 

 

Totally agree - where is the problem .....the contact with the arm creates the chance for the pass and the goal ......that’s what the new law is for ....hands and arms cannot be involved in scoring goals .........whether it’s the scorer or the creator of the scoring opp ......I like the rule - the defender will argue that he got his head to it to clear and rice’s arm gets in the way ....

 

I appreciate people will argue about it being different for defenders and contact with the arm but that risks people just blasting the ball at arms or flicking it at hands in the area to get pens ......

No that logic doesn’t work.

 

If someone heads it goalwards and a hand gets in the way, it has to be deliberate. Or if a cross is about to be tapped in and a hand gets in the way, it has to be deliberate.
 

It’s the same principle. The rule isn’t consistent with the principle of hands/arms directly affecting goal scoring chances. So it merely favours the defending team, for no fair reasoning that can be backed up.

 

As I said above, where do you draw the line? How far back is the handball relevant? I’d say it’s always relevant, it’s the butterfly effect.

 

Again, is Rice supposed to avoid playing a killer pass because he knows it’s hit his hand, on the off chance they score? 
 

There are so many reasons it doesn’t work.

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It's always people without display pictures that have the worst takes on everything 

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Plenty of unintentional hand balls are given just because a player is deemed to have made his body bigger, how do you measure that? 
Determining handball or not will always be contentious however the laws are written and interpreted.

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3 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

 

So really as pointed out above VAR isn't doing  much to sort out controversial incidents - just adding to them.

 

Football is a hugely subjective game- people will always look at the same incident different ways depending on their bias. Most of the offsides, for example, haven't been controversial- the issue is that the rule was brought in to stop players goal hanging 15 yards behind the defence, not to judge if a player's armpit or head was further forward on a TV screen. But the rule states that if a body part that can be scored with is ahead of the last defender when the ball is played, it is offside, so those decisions are correct.

 

As I've said before, I've little sympathy for the teams, players, managers involved here. The Premier League didn't force this- it came about because people couldn't accept a bad decision. All those comments about "costing us millions, relegating us, costing jobs" meant we have to sit through this to get to the right decision- and they still aren't happy. As ever, the focus was on the negative impact of decisions- have you heard any manager call for video assistance when a decision went in their favour? Or did they play it off with a "sometimes they go for you" excuse?

 

The game wasn't perfect, it never will be, but this stuff is just tedious now. So do something about it- accept it is here and you'll be impacted or get rid of it, still be impacted but have the chance to celebrate or moan accordingly.

 

If everyone hates it, join together and ditch it. The game will carry on.

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Just now, davieG said:

Plenty of unintentional hand balls are given just because a player is deemed to have made his body bigger, how do you measure that? 
Determining handball or not will always be contentious however the laws are written and interpreted.

Unless they apply it to all handballs like for attackers. The rule is clear. Otherwise we continue to debate what is handball and what is accidental or natural

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They just said on Talksport that the Premier league rules allow for handballs from deflections and ricochets to be let go and not leading to disallowed goals etc. 
 
Not sure how true that is mind you!

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Away from the controversy, West Ham were poor, really poor. You often hear it said of older players that their legs have gone. Zabaletta was the epitome of this, couldn’t get up and down and handed over possession so often. They looked devoid of ideas  and I would have them in the worst 3 sides in the division right now. 
Sheff United on the other hand, well organised, everyone knows their role and up to 5th. 
Would love to see them get a European place, don’t think many teams would fancy going to Bramall Lane on a big European night.

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Let me add how ridiculous VAR is is if snodgrass shot ahd been saved and the corner given then VAR is not in use, even if they then score from the corner.

 

its all over the shop.

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People absolving VAR for that goal being disallowed - the rule was changed to fit in with VAR, so yes it's indirectly because of VAR.

 

I really do think they'll look back on this season as a bit of a farce in future.

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5 hours ago, Kopfkino said:

Why can't it be both a VAR and a rule issue. 

 

Without VAR it doesn't get given. The rule would still be shit had the ref noticed it and brought it back straight away but it'd be immediate just like the offside goal that was ruled out. Instead we get all the emotion, animation, and excitement and then we have to wait for a bit whilst a bloke 200 miles away looks at a TV screen. It's really the fact that VAR just chips away at the emotion of the game which means it gets shit because people don't want football to be some utilitarian hell hole where everything is 'right'. 

This is the biggest problem. For me if you're going to make a sacrifice like this, you need to get it spot on and yet I think VAR has proven that that simply isn't attainable.

 

I don't think it was wrong to experiment VAR but nobody can convince me this is working and is good for the game, regardless of the propaganda churned out.

 

Sick of talking about it every week but I can't get away from it either. Perfect for the pundits who have another thing to stop them talking about actual football. Please just get rid of it for god sake.

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At what point do we want Sheff Utd to stop winning games to keep the gap open to 5th?

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Just now, Nalis said:

At what point do we wany Sheff Utd to stop winning games to keep the gap open to 5th?

It's been a while for me. We really need to give them much more respect - us of all supporters should know that. Definitely wanted them to lose yesterday.

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11 minutes ago, Nalis said:

At what point do we want Sheff Utd to stop winning games to keep the gap open to 5th?

I don't mind them winning - it especially means another side that isn't 'top 6' misses out on it. And the more points they could take off our rivals for top 4 the better. 

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10 hours ago, AKCJ said:

Handball even without the rule change for me.

 

He nearly catches it. It falls perfectly to his feet as a result of it hitting his arm.

Exactly this for me. Even without the shit rule change (which it is, it needs binning) it's a clear advantage gained from the ball hitting his arm. I'd expect that to be given by the ref/lino, and if it wasn't then VAR should see that and rule it out any way. 

 

We had one a couple of months ago against Southampton where Jimenez clearly knocked it on with his arm and went through and scored. The lino flagged and the ref blew and disallowed it there and then. He even got booked for it. 

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15 minutes ago, The Bear said:

Exactly this for me. Even without the shit rule change (which it is, it needs binning) it's a clear advantage gained from the ball hitting his arm. I'd expect that to be given by the ref/lino, and if it wasn't then VAR should see that and rule it out any way. 

 

We had one a couple of months ago against Southampton where Jimenez clearly knocked it on with his arm and went through and scored. The ref blew and disallowed it there and then. He even got booked for it. 

I think this is the important thing. The rule should be changed to allow the goal to be given if the attacker did not gain any advantage due to the handball. Unfortunately this makes it a subjective decision again.

 

In this case the attacker gained a distinct advantage in any case, so the goal was correctly disallowed. Not sure what Rice was whinging about.

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Fabianski looks to have buggered his hip again, if that's another op he could be out for around the same time as Ndidi is. West ham will miss him.

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40 minutes ago, Nalis said:

At what point do we want Sheff Utd to stop winning games to keep the gap open to 5th?

I'm not there yet.  I don't see them as a strong threat for the CL, and I'm still pleased to see them overperforming.  I like Wilder and I like the way they play.

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