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48 minutes ago, OhYesNdidi said:

Vardy got 20 league goals in that 17/18 team??? Jeeez, that’s insane lol

 

Felt like the back end of that season we lost 2-1 every week, Vardy consolation on around 80 minutes.

 

Doubtless it only happened once but it felt like a perpetual nightmare.

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4 hours ago, shade said:

Can't help but notice the lack of left wing idiots there, need some for balance surely!

Wasn't suggesting they were idiots, just giving the counter argument with some examples of the types of towering intellects that we also have in society. Not sure if any of them support Leicester. 

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Every time he gets the ball you get excited. He's improved so much this season and just keeps impressing in different ways. Others have mentioned the touch from the cross field ball and the anticipation for his goal - I don't think I've seen that from him before. 


We will be fending people off in summer if he keeps playing this well until May.

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2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

Probably the most exciting academy product we've had since Joachim. Heskey was sensational buy in a powerful and direct way. Joachim had the skill as well as pace and Barnes is similar. Absolutely loving it.

People don't half overrate second division and mid-table players from when they were younger on here.

Barnes is clearly better than Heskey was and much better than Joachim. 

We haven't had an academy product like Barnes since Lineker.

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1 minute ago, Sampson said:

People don't half overrate second division and mid-table players from when they were younger on here.

Barnes is clearly better than Heskey was and much better than Joachim. 

We haven't had an academy like Barnes since Lineker.

I find Heskey mainly under-rated

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6 minutes ago, FOXSE said:

I find Heskey mainly under-rated

In general football circles I'd agree. But on here he's massively overrated. A lot of people on here who watched him when they were growing up make out he is one of the best players we've ever had.

He was a good player for us in general, but he was a player who could occasionally be sensational, but was also very erratic and inconsistent.

I definitely wouldn't put him in the category as our best forwards in my time. Vardy, Lineker, Worthington and A. Smith are the best forwards we've had in my time. Heskey is one of the best forwards we've had in the next category down, absolutely. But he's definitely not in that same category as those other 4 and neither was he ever consitently close to being at the level Barnes has been for us this season.

As for Joachim, he was exciting in the Second Division because we hadn't had a player with that explosive pace for ages, but Barnes is clearly several levels above him.

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Barnes seemed to physically develop all of a sudden a few years back. When he was a teenager I don't remember him being thought of as the pacey direct player that he his now. 

 

I think that physical development is key a lot of the time and it's not a given that it will happen with the complexities of genetics. 

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Just now, Sampson said:

In general football circles I'd agree. But on here he's massively overrated. People on here make out he is one of the best players we've ever had.

He was a very goof player for us, but he was a player who could occasionally be sensational, but was also very erratic and inconsistent.

I definitely wouldn't put him in the category as our best forwards in my time. Vardy, Lineker, Worthington and A. Smith are the best forwards we've had in my time. Heskey is one of the best forwards we've had in the next category down, absolutely. But he's definitely not in that same category as those other 4 and neither was he ever at the level Barnes has been for us this season.

Melrose mate. Don’t forget him. 

 

As for Heskey, you could tell when he walked out the tunnel if he was going to turn up. Usually once out of every 3 or 4 games. Then he was unplayable. 

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20 hours ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

What a great player we’ve got on our hands, where are last seasons grumblers now? They’ve gone very quiet, championship player.....yeah ok 😊🦊

 

The Barnes grumbling was always unjustified because you could see what he was trying to do it just wasn't always paying off. 

 

It's one thing being disappointed with a player or not rating them, but everyone with sense could see it was only a matter of time.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

Barnes is better this season for not having Chilwell at left back. For some reason Chilwell never liked to pass it Barnes on a regular occurrence and unlike his understanding with Justin and Thomas, Barnes and Chilwell never seem to complement each other.

 

I always had the impression that Chilwell never wanted Barnes to steal his thunder. I might be totally wrong but that was still my impression.

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5 minutes ago, MGLCFC said:

Barnes is better this season for not having Chilwell at left back. For some reason Chilwell never liked to pass it Barnes on a regular occurrence and unlike his understanding with Justin and Thomas, Barnes and Chilwell never seem to complement each other.

Whilst this isn't entirely fair on chilwell he never helped get the best out of Barnes. You always felt Chilwell's first thought was to carry ball into the space where Barnes was where's JJ and Thomas want to get the ball to Barnes early.

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24 minutes ago, Sampson said:

People don't half overrate second division and mid-table players from when they were younger on here.

Barnes is clearly better than Heskey was and much better than Joachim. 

We haven't had an academy product like Barnes since Lineker.

Nonsense. Do you even remember Heskey when he burst onto the scene? 
He was fantastic a real powerhouse and you are doing him a great disservice.

Barnes is excellent and has silenced his critics and I hope he goes onto achieve more in his career than Emile did but as of yet he hasn’t.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

Nonsense. Do you even remember Heskey when he burst onto the scene? 
He was fantastic a real powerhouse and you are doing him a great disservice.

Barnes is excellent and has silenced his critics and I hope he goes onto achieve more in his career than Emile did but as of yet he hasn’t.

 

 

Yes I remember him and like a lot of youngsters - like Barnes last season in fact, he could be sensational in patches and streaks but never had the consistency for us that Barnes had this season.

I hope Barnes goes onto achieve more than Heskey too and obviously he hasn't yet, but at the same time, Heskey never had anywhere near as good a season as Barnes is having at the moment for us. You could maybe argue his first season at Liverpool was as good, but for us Barnes is clearly far more consistent and better than Heskey ever was for us.

It's hardly nonsense. It's the same from the team when I was a kid though, people still romanticise the Bloomfield era I watched growing up, as if they were better than the current side, despite the fact we were largely bottom half also-rans in that period and went on some of the worst runs in the club's history outside a single season. Pretty sure the longest run without a win in the club's history still stands from the Bloomfield era. Don't get me wrong I loved those eras and the players at the time, but when people try to claim those players were better than our sides of the past 5 or 6 years it's clearly favouring nostalgia over the actual quality of the players. People only remember the good games from past players and it puts them out of all proportion when comparing with current players because they forgot the poor or forgettable games or the inconsistencies. 

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5 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

I always had the impression that Chilwell never wanted Barnes to steal his thunder. I might be totally wrong but that was still my impression.

Something certainly wasn't right there. You'd like to think perhaps Chilwell was trying to take on the responsibility rather than pass it to a lad with nowhere near the same experience. You'd hope people aren't so petty to purposely sabotage someone else in the same team. 

 

I think perhaps it's a clash of styles, Chilwell was very good at gaining ground. He could get us up the pitch, problem is he tends to slow things down when there by going backwards or crossing it himself. Barnes ended up coming inside to get out of his way and he'd go into a more congested area.

 

Barnes likes to get the ball and charge at people, no point going past him, then passing it back to him when defence is now set. Get it to him early with space and he'll drive into it. 

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37 minutes ago, Sampson said:

People don't half overrate second division and mid-table players from when they were younger on here.

Barnes is clearly better than Heskey was and much better than Joachim. 

We haven't had an academy product like Barnes since Lineker.

What are you going on about? I said Barnes was the most " exciting " academy player we've had since Joachim. I wasn't marking them against each other in terms of ability or saying that any other player who's come through between them weren't as good I'm talking about getting you off your seat. Joachim was unreal and we've had very little attackers come through the ranks in the 25 years since him and Heskey.

 

We are excelling at a higher level now and therefore Barnes is the best of them all, or soon will be. 

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39 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Vardy, Lineker A. Smith 

Wouldn't even class him as that type of Forward anyway, he was the foil who had to do much of the donkey work, had to play out wide a fair amount as well early on. His finishing was always sketchy, but his page and power terrorised defences and allowed us to pump it into the channels and get him to chase it down. 

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5 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Wouldn't even class him as that type of Forward anyway, he was the foil who had to do much of the donkey work, had to play out wide a fair amount as well early on. His finishing was always sketchy, but his page and power terrorised defences and allowed us to pump it into the channels and get him to chase it down. 

At his best that was true, but you're talking about him "terrorising defences" in general as if he did it every game when he didn't - that's nostalgia talking. He did that every 4 or 5 games or so and never did it to the consistency as Barnes has done this season - neither did he show his best traits to the same consistency as Lineker, Vardy, Smith or Worthington did.

Again, I'm  not saying he was shit. He wasn't, he was good. But he also clearly was never as consistently good a player as Barnes or some of the other attacking players we've had.

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17 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Yes I remember him and like a lot of youngsters - like Barnes last season in fact, he could be sensational in patches and streaks but never had the consistency for us that Barnes had this season.

I hope Barnes goes onto achieve more than Heskey too and obviously he hasn't yet, but at the same time, Heskey never had anywhere near as good a season as Barnes is having at the moment for us. You could maybe argue his first season at Liverpool was as good, but for us Barnes is clearly far more consistent and better than Heskey ever was for us.

It's hardly nonsense. It's the same from the team when I was a kid though, people still romanticise the Bloomfield era I watched growing up, as if they were better than the current side, despite the fact we were bottom half also-rans in that period and went on some of the worst runs in the club's history. Pretty sure the longest run without a win in the club's history still stands from the Bloomfield era. People only remember the good games from past players and it puts them out of all proportion when comparing with current players because they forgot the poor or forgettable games or the inconsistencies. 

Yes it is nonsense.

Why in a Barnes thread are you devaluing Emile Heskey? Yes he’s loved by many on here and that says so much.

 

You admit to criticising Barnes last season when he clearly had talent to burn and now you hold him up as the best young talent since Lineker, it’s a shame you cannot support our young players when they are struggling for form and not just when they are playing brilliantly.

 

I don’t go as far back as Bloomfield, Jock  Wallace being my first manager, so I’ve also seen many ups and downs, and that period when Heskey was with us was definitely an up and Heskey played a massive role in that and deserves credit and praise.

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13 minutes ago, Sampson said:

At his best that was true, but you're talking about him "terrorising defences" in general as if he did it every game when he didn't - that's nostalgia talking. He did that every 4 or 5 games or so and never did it to the consistency as Barnes has done this season - neither did he show his best traits to the same consistency as Lineker, Vardy, Smith or Worthington did.

Again, I'm  not saying he was shit. He wasn't, he was good. But he also clearly was never as consistently good a player as Barnes or some of the other attacking players we've had.

I can't believe Liverpool made him their club record signing.... 

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32 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

Yes it is nonsense.

Why in a Barnes thread are you devaluing Emile Heskey? Yes he’s loved by many on here and that says so much.

 

You admit to criticising Barnes last season when he clearly had talent to burn and now you hold him up as the best young talent since Lineker, it’s a shame you cannot support our young players when they are struggling for form and not just when they are playing brilliantly.

 

I don’t go as far back as Bloomfield, Jock  Wallace being my first manager, so I’ve also seen many ups and downs, and that period when Heskey was with us was definitely an up and Heskey played a massive role in that and deserves credit and praise.

I'm comparing him to heskey and Joachim in this thread because in the past 2 days we've had posts saying "Barnes is our best/most exciting academy product since..." for both Heskey and Joachim. It was as a response from that 

 

And I was saying Barnes is clearly more constantly better and it's only really by nostalgia you can hold up Heskey or Joachim as still being better. I'm not using it to attack Heskey, I'm using it to say people still don't seem to realise just how good the players of the past 5-6 years in our in relation to players from our history is

 

We're talking about 2 different things - I'm not talking about how iconic or well loved a player is at all- that naturally comes from the relative context of where the club was at at the time. Most of us love and remember Lloyd Dyer way more than Demarai Gray, I'm not sure you can say he was a better player though.

 

I completely understand why people romanticise players from the past as there are players who were great in the context of those eras and I'm not saying anyone should not still love these players - but when you're talking about the best players and people still talk about inconsistent mid-table or Second Division players as if they're better than a player like Barnes that's clearly just nostalgia, but more than that- I think it's a lack of recognition of just how consistently good our players from the past 5-6 years are/have been in the context of our history.

 

It's the same with Steve Walsh. You get plenty on here saying he was better than Morgan, Huth; Evans or Soyuncu. I loved Walsh, he was here for years, he had iconic moments, I totally get why people love him and romanticise him - because there's more to being loved at a club than ability. But in terms of ability, he clearly wasn't as consistently ood as the likes of Morgan,Huth, Evans or Soyuncu at their peaks. To me, that's not talking Walsh down, that's talking Morgan, Huth, Evans and Soyuncu down - and when people say Barnes is our best/most exciting youth product since Heskey or Joachim, that's talking Barnes down.

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24 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

I always had the impression that Chilwell never wanted Barnes to steal his thunder. I might be totally wrong but that was still my impression.

I used to think that too, but he’s been doing the same at Chelsea, and he think it’s one reason Tuchel has dropped him because it slows the attack down. 

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1 hour ago, Collymore said:

Barnes seemed to physically develop all of a sudden a few years back. When he was a teenager I don't remember him being thought of as the pacey direct player that he his now. 

 

I think that physical development is key a lot of the time and it's not a given that it will happen with the complexities of genetics. 

he has always been extremely fast I just don't think he ever had the confidence in the spell under puel when we recalled him back from WBA to actually run at defenders and utilise it 

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