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27 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Rubbish, he was anonymous. Not necessarily his fault as the game was not ours really but he was ineffective. We badly need some sort of form from our wingers or a brave move in the market next month.

At least you can stop going on about playing him on the right now :D

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Don't think you can defend that performance as "trying too hard" or "lacking confidencs" really. He refused to press or tackle.

 

If you try too hard or lack confidence you generally over-press or go into tackles top enthusiastically.

 

Thought that his attitude stunk today. It was a very lazy performance of someone who just didn't try hard enough.

 

I could forgive him somewhat if he actually did try too hard today.

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23 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

Most people that know stuff about football say he will develop into a good player. 

 

But by all means, you write him off after he played with an injury against the Champions elect... 

 

Sigh. 

The old Andy King defence.

 

Only people who know football appreciate him.

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1 minute ago, The whole world smiles said:

Newsflash sonny, to get to where he is in life at 22 years means he has a lot more heart and ability than you fuching do. 

 

Constructive criticism is fine but let's not go around calling our homegrown youngsters shite.

The fact you mentioned he is home grown shows you have bias though.

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26 minutes ago, cropstonfox said:

Allbrighton is so much better going forward and covering a weak full back.He is not a long term solution but for half a season he will do a job.

Definitely better at covering his fb, but Barnes is miles ahead going forward. Saying that, he was terrible in all aspects of the game today. That was like Musa vs Millwall performance. 

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2 minutes ago, sm1 said:

Definitely better at covering his fb, but Barnes is miles ahead going forward. Saying that, he was terrible in all aspects of the game today. That was like Musa vs Millwall performance. 

 

For me

 

Barnes is better at beating his man and getting in goal scoring positions.

 

Albrighton is better at

 

1 - Shooting

2 - Crossing

3 - Defending

 

The Albrighton pro's are more suitable for games like Liverpool in my opinion.

 

Liverpool first half we seemed to have a strategy of putting crosses in yet our two best crossers werent on the pitch (fuchs and albrighton).

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Just now, The whole world smiles said:

Newsflash sonny, to get to where he is in life at 22 years means he has a lot more heart and ability than you fuching do. 

 

Constructive criticism is fine but let's not go around calling our homegrown youngsters shite.

He's young and developed by the club so naturally he's a scapegoat, along with Chilwell.

Clearly the best way for these players to develop is to slate them at every given opportunity.

 

Albrighton and Gray all of a sudden are the answer to our problems.

 

They were all shite tonight, thankfully we have a game in 2 days where if we win all will be okay again.

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Just now, Sampson said:

Yeah Barnes undoubtedly gets a massive free pass because he's homegrown. Gray would be getting absolutely slaughtered if he'd put in Barnes' performances this season.

Gray does put it as bad performances. And he does get stick. Difference is we’ve seen a lot more of gray than we have Barnes in previous seasons. 

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1 minute ago, The whole world smiles said:

Newsflash sonny, to get to where he is in life at 22 years means he has a lot more heart and ability than you fuching do. 

 

Constructive criticism is fine but let's not go around calling our homegrown youngsters shite.

I mean he's clearly not shite at football. But it's also becoming increasingly clear that he's not at the level of some of the other players in the squad or at the level at which we are currently competing. 

 

If you want us competing with the teams in and around where are we are now he's not good enough. If your happy us being a mid table standard team then fair enough he's your starting man.  

 

I feel he gets away with a lot more than some other players purely because he's a Leicester lad. 

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Whichever view you look at it or whatever you wanna call it he needs resting or 'dropping' ala Gray style, get his head right, take a look at where/how he needs to improve and come back stronger.

 

I understand he's young, learning, developing but can't help but think he's treading water at the moment and one of a few that we are currently carrying.

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Imagine if that was Gray who gave that performance today?! He would have been slaughtered on here, and rightly so. But because it's Barnes too many people want to overlook his (lack of) effort and the fact that he never makes a tackle, closes players down quickly, or covers his full back. When a player is hiding away from the ball like Barnes did too often, he needs to be taken out of the team until he gets his confidence up again. The sad thing is that all of our other wingers are also not the solution either 

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Just now, Merging Cultures said:

He needs playing time so he can improve. The talent is there, I'm not sure about the self belief.

He also needs to learn how to stick a foot in, and be a bit more aggressive.

Nacho improved after a long spell out, Gray also improved without playing every minute, so no, pitch time isnt a requirement to improve.

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7 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

The fact you mentioned he is home grown shows you have bias though.

If it is it biassed to want to nurture and develop players who are young and have come through the academy and not expect the same levels as an established premier league player in his mid to late 20s then yes I am guilty of bias I would argue it's common sense though.

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17 minutes ago, Babylon said:

The old Andy King defence.

 

Only people who know football appreciate him.

 

Jesus. 

 

It's as if you want him to live up to your pessimism. 

 

Andy King didn't do too bad for us.  :rolleyes:

 

Some people, who I'm happy to admit know the game better than me, and who I guess know the game better than you, rate him. 

 

I hope they are right.

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2 minutes ago, Merging Cultures said:

Never said in the PL!!

If you mean another Loan I wouldnt be against that.

 

I think playing every week in the EPL without scoring is not going to boost his composure or confidence.  He will only get that by playing in a easier league or in training shielded from the media/fans.

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1 hour ago, Cujek said:

I have been reserving judgement, but I think I have to conclude he is not cut out for this level. 

 

We need an upgrade in Jan. 

Way too early to say that, but we do need an upgrade. The trouble we have is both our wingers are ineffective atm, so we look hopeless. I think we can only play one of Barnes and Perez, they should be played with the world class winger we sign. Barnes is only young, give him time and experience and he'll easily be a valuable squad player for a team like us.

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8 minutes ago, Tazfox said:

I mean he's clearly not shite at football. But it's also becoming increasingly clear that he's not at the level of some of the other players in the squad or at the level at which we are currently competing. 

 

If you want us competing with the teams in and around where are we are now he's not good enough. If your happy us being a mid table standard team then fair enough he's your starting man.  

 

I feel he gets away with a lot more than some other players purely because he's a Leicester lad. 

I agree that it's an area we need to strengthen asap. But there is not a wide man in the squad that's clearly better than him. correct me if I'm wrong? So if there isn't an obvious replacement why not get of his back and see how he develops.

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Just now, Chrysalis said:

If you mean another Loan I wouldnt be against that.

 

I think playing every week in the EPL without scoring is not going to boost his composure or confidence.  He will only get that by playing in a easier league or in training shielded from the media/fans.

That, and as someone said in the post match thread... Him "getting a kicking" because he is too nice. He needs to get stuck in.

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Barnes is increasingly demonstrating that he is not at the level we need.

We can hope he improves in the future and suffer sub optimal results as a consequence or buy in an alternative. I think the timing on this decision is getting closer the longer he fails to show he can deliver an improvement.

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