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2 hours ago, murphy said:

You could begin by trying to actually understand what I said.  I never said that your assessment that he will not amount to more than a middling PL player means he is crap, but it is you that is saying that level of player is not good enough for us as if we are some kind of PL superpower, hence the juggernaut reference.  The very best will not come to us.

 

I really don't think that you are a good judge of potential and I definitely don't think that you can assess an academy player's ceiling after his first year at this level.  He is already at least a 'middling PL' player imo and there is surely more to come given his age.  I think he will become a special player and I will be happy for you to be proven wrong too.  Do you not understand that youth needs to develop?  He won't reach his peak for another 2 or 3 years at least.

 

As for Schlupp, Barnes is already streets ahead of him.  In fact we have three academy graduates that are already better than he is.

 

You are living up nicely to your username.

 

 

Kudos on your closing line by the way 😄. A much less angry reply than your previous one so I'll do the same. 

 

I honestly don't think we are some PL juggernaut but If we succeed in being a top 4 challenger over the next few years it's my opinion that hel end up more of a squad player. I don't get the impression hel develop quickly enough to that sort of level and that he is def someone we could find an upgrade on. Hes not terrible (other than at converting chances) but I don't personally see the special something that I see in say Maddison and Ndidi who are not much older and wel prob become regulars in Europe one way or another.

If though we end up dropping back to something more akin to the last few seasons hel comparatively look a lot better and be a regular starter. 

 

Perhaps Im not a good judge of potential (I was convinced Harry Kane would be a one season wonder!) But at the same time I don't throw in with the perceived wisdom that young players are just guaranteed to come on in leaps and bounds until they hit a certain age. The likes of Zaha, Alli and Maguire were all more highly thought of than Barnes currently is when they were his age but despite years more development all are now what I would describe as average or 'middling', and I stress this does not make them bad players but standard or slightly better than standard Premier League players.

I do wish I hadn't used the term middling now, it's very broad and people really do seem to think that I'm trying to knock him by using it and I'm not. But to consistently reach the level some of you think he's gonna reach based on a very recent upturn in form seems a real stretch and he's far more likely to fall into the large bracket of players just below.

 

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1 hour ago, An Sionnach said:

Our way of playing has changed so much . When we won the premiership we used Marc and Mahrez as wide players . That worked very well then obviously but our main strength now is down the middle and Albrighton just doesn't fit in .

With respect, when one winger gets 17 goals and 11 Assists, it takes the pressure of other attacking players who do not produce as much

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5 minutes ago, Meat and 2 veg said:

With respect, when one winger gets 17 goals and 11 Assists, it takes the pressure of other attacking players who do not produce as much

True but Marc is a much better defender than Mahrez so made his contribution in other ways.

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Harvey is a great talent, who hopefully will become a legend. But I think the knockers, whilst harsh, have a point re his weaknesses. For all the good bits, I think he has missed more 'sitters' than anyone else in the team this season. I'd love to see a conversion rate stat. As my instinct says it would be awful. Hopefully someone can iron out this obvious weakness in his game. If they do, boy will he be a threat.

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We're blessed with two of the best finishers in the entire division this season in Vardy and Iheanacho. Barnes hasn't actually been that bad, but with that comparison the standard we set as fans is ridiculous sometimes and its hardly a surprise he hasn't quite hit those heights.

He's getting better, growing into his role and starting to get a lot more confidence in his play now. He's starting to find his shooting boots and a bit of momentum, and with a bit more consistency from Chilwell behind him he'll hopefully continue that development. He's got a half-decent chance of getting to double-figures for goals this season if he can keep his current form going, which for a home-grown youngster playing on the wing ain't half bad.

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4 minutes ago, rachhere said:

He stood out more for me than Hudson Odoi, who of course is getting England caps. What did everyone else think?

Hudson Odoi seems to be another overhyped player to me. Obviously I only see Chelsea live twice a season but I've never seen him do anything to justify the hype around his name. Pretty sure nobody had heard of him untill he was linked with Bayern Munich (pretty sure it was them).

 

Not doubting he may become a good player but you've got someone like Grealish, who is basically dragging Villa himself, yet the one who plays for England, and constantly called for England, is Hudson Odoi.

 

Thought Barnes was good again Saturday. He came up against a young, highly rated full back too, and had the beating of him. As I said earlier in the week, Barnes seems to be in good form at the minute which is good to see.

 

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1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

Hudson Odoi seems to be another overhyped player to me. Obviously I only see Chelsea live twice a season but I've never seen him do anything to justify the hype around his name. Pretty sure nobody had heard of him untill he was linked with Bayern Munich (pretty sure it was them).

 

Not doubting he may become a good player but you've got someone like Grealish, who is basically dragging Villa himself, yet the one who plays for England, and constantly called for England, is Hudson Odoi.

 

Thought Barnes was good again Saturday. He came up against a young, highly rated full back too.

 

Southgate will always play the hyped Chelsea players, he is a useless manager.

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14 minutes ago, rachhere said:

He stood out more for me than Hudson Odoi, who of course is getting England caps. What did everyone else think?

Barnes definitely stood out much more in this game, but CHO has 3 goals 5 assists in all competitions with just 7 starts and 10 sub appearances and is only 19 years old. That is impressive for a young player and Bayern Munich bid 35m for him for a reason, even if as of right now he's not living up to the hype.

 

Him and Sancho tore it up for England when we on the U20 world cup (I think it was that one) and because Sancho has already proven himself as an Elite player (first player in Europe to get to 10 goals + assists), the hype train is in overdrive for Hudson-Odoi.

 

I would say that if CHO deserved an England cap, then so does Barnes, especially on recent form. Will be interesting to see if he gets one, he's a definitely got a chance of sneaking into that European Championships squad.

 

 

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Don't forget the golden rule , every Leicester player who gets picked for England loses form . In my memory only Banks and Linekar have been exceptions. It seems to make no difference to Ricci, Jonny and Caglar playing for their countries. Its a curse on us.

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I wouldnt worry about England yet, no point. We all know Southgate will play Henderson, Barkley and Winks in the middle when he should be squeezing in both Grealish and Maddison. As for where Barnes could play Sterling and Rashford if fit both get ahead of him. 

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22 hours ago, FOXSE said:

Barnes' goals and assists stats are now better than Daniel James at man u... And he is supposed to be unbelievable!

Dan James is bang average and shouldn't be playing for a club like that, not yet anyway, he should've gone to a Bournemouth type of side before making the next step, he's had far too big a demand on him this season given his lack of experience.

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5 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

This time next year he's going to be the absolute business. Won't be long before Sky are mocking up photos of him in other club's shirts. 

I agree, I think he will make a fair few people look quite silly soon. 

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In a season with so many collective and individual stories of success, I personally feel that in the latter half of the season, Barnes has genuinely come out on top. I think more recently we've seen a sense of belonging - it will have taken time to build, given the stature/quality of some of the players in our starting 11, but you get the impression that he's got the self-belief required to succeed at the highest level. His power and acceleration is absolutely frightening and he seems to eat up ground quicker than any other player in the team. But the difference now is that he's become so much more incisive and shows a maturity/intelligence that only comes through experience. Without slandering him too much, this is the key attribute that Gray hasn't particularly sparked within. Naturally he'll be gutted he didn't bury that chance to win the game and you could argue that he's still got a fair way to come in terms of being clinical, but this is all part of his learning curve. According to the PL stats page, he's missed '6 big chances'. I don't give it long before he's burying those - he should feel right at home in the Champions League in no time. 

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42 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

There will be a game before the end of the season where every shot goes in and he grabs at least a hat-trick.

i have been backing this at about 500/1-1000/1 every week for over a year now. so i’ll let you know the day that i forget. cos that’s when he nails it. 

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How many more goals and assists this season does Harvey need to force his way in to Euro 2020 reckoning? I didn't think he'd come in to consideration yet but I can easily see him getting another 5 goals and a few assists by April/May and that surely would make him one of the most dangerous wide players England currently has? If he carries on this form it's possibly come slightly too late for the Euros but hopefully it's only a matter of time he gets called up.

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On 22/01/2020 at 14:19, Munshi said:

Barnes has the talent. Confidence has been low recently not helped by our fans who moan every time he touches the ball. Support him and he’ll go all the way to the top imo.

Slowly but surely..

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3 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

How many more goals and assists this season does Harvey need to force his way in to Euro 2020 reckoning? I didn't think he'd come in to consideration yet but I can easily see him getting another 5 goals and a few assists by April/May and that surely would make him one of the most dangerous wide players England currently has? If he carries on this form it's possibly come slightly too late for the Euros but hopefully it's only a matter of time he gets called up.

Unfortunately, he will never get a look in in out wide.  He may get a call up eventually but wont start games whilst Sancho and Sterling  are still available. It would be a great experience for him to go along, but id be worried for him playing at that level (at the moment). The step up would be far too quick and England fans arent forgiving in anyway.  

 

IMO it would be more beneficial to let him fully develop before plunging him in the deep end

 

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8 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

How many more goals and assists this season does Harvey need to force his way in to Euro 2020 reckoning? I didn't think he'd come in to consideration yet but I can easily see him getting another 5 goals and a few assists by April/May and that surely would make him one of the most dangerous wide players England currently has? If he carries on this form it's possibly come slightly too late for the Euros but hopefully it's only a matter of time he gets called up.

Nah unless he suddenly became Messi hes not getting called up for the Euros, I imagine after the inevitable failure there he'll be some of the new blood brought in to freshen things up.

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