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1 minute ago, Wasyls Pec Deck said:

What I like about him is his directness, which is much needed when we can get bogged down passing it sideways forever. Really key player in this team IMO, and brilliant that he’s clearly improving.

Spot on. It was woefully apparent under Puel that with supply lines to Vardy severed, we needed a player that can pick up the ball deep, penetrate into the final third and run at a defence which is why he was recalled. Chilwell excelled at using his pace on the flank to stretch teams and open up space by rapidly getting the ball to the byline, Barnes, meanwhile loves stealing into that inside left channel. He still receives huge criticism over his finishing, but I think he's put away some really difficult chances this season and unlike Gray, has an end product. A player like Harvey can rapidly get behind a defence which is always dangerous when you have Vards lurking in the box - assists aside, he also creates his own chances which is the sign of a quality attacking player. A huge asset to our plans going forward. 

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I wonder whether the plan might be to start to move Harvey more central into a strikers position. Could he be the long-term Vardy replacement perhaps. I've seen Brendan deploy it in a cup game last year. It wasn't terrible for a first outing. If the LCFC DNA is to have a rapid striker up top - maybe??

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21 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said:

I wonder whether the plan might be to start to move Harvey more central into a strikers position. Could he be the long-term Vardy replacement perhaps. I've seen Brendan deploy it in a cup game last year. It wasn't terrible for a first outing. If the LCFC DNA is to have a rapid striker up top - maybe??

I think his season has suffered in terms of having more of an impact on games when he has played more centrally next to Vardy. He may well develop in to a centre forward but I still think as a left winger cutting in or going on the outside he is so dangerous.

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Hope not, he's brilliant out wide it gives him somewhere to run, lets not try and put a square peg in a round hole again. We'd also be back down to zero wingers again When we need a replacement for Vardy we should get in another player not spoil Harvey's game.

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2 hours ago, murphy said:

What, so opinions can actually change?  Well I never.  Thank you for patronis pointing that out, that's a concept I have always struggled with.

Well it seemed you were struggling when you suggested that anyone criticising him (I'm taking that in any shape of form) should now feel foolish? "James Justin is another case in point. Criticised by some early on despite making a leap from League 1 to the PL.  Hopefully they feel foolish now but I wouldn't bank on it."

 

Should I feel foolish for suggesting his early performances were average, when they were? I got jumped on then by daring to suggest that, and ended up having to caveat it by pointing out that I knew he was young, knew he could improve and that pointing out errors or poor performances doesn't mean I'm writing him off. You shouldn't really have to put in terms and conditions around every critique to stop people coming back 6 months, a year, two years later and saying how "foolish" you were. 

 

And don't take this too personally, it's been a bugbear of mine for a long time. 

 

2 hours ago, murphy said:

What I was saying however, is that in the early stages of a player's career, particularly if making a step up from the academy or League One, we should judge them differently to an established player and temper those expectations and critiques.  A player can't realise his potential without making a leap to a level that they are not ready for yet.  Playing is the only way to get there and beyond so we should expect mistakes and off days as part of that development and show some patience and make allowances.

Yes and no IMO, if someone puts in a 4 performance during a match you can't sit there and say, well he's young so I'll take that into account and give him a 6. On the other hand, don't go completely over the board about errors in someones game when there are obvious reasons for them. Whether it's someone coming in from another country, playing their first season in this league, being young etc. 

 

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On 29/12/2020 at 16:19, UniFox21 said:

Has to be in contention for the Euro squad. He's been in unreal form this season. Very few of England's wingers are as direct as Barnes, would offer something different

If he makes the England squad he's as good as sold.

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7 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

He played as a number 10 at WBA. I think he could work centrally again, given time. But I'm still not sure about striker.

You don't get anywhere near as much time and space in that area in the PL. He has a quick brain and is direct but the times he's played up with vardy or just behind he seems to struggle to get the space. The fact he is now scoring a lot of goals on his left foot will make the opposition unsure on whether he'll cut in and shoot on his supposed stronger foot or go on the outside. I like him being part of a fluid front 3 where he can drift all over the place.

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16 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

He played as a number 10 at WBA. I think he could work centrally again, given time. But I'm still not sure about striker.

Probably, but that was in the Championship and "time" is one thing you don't have at this level, both on the pitch and in terms of career. He'll make more of an impact darting into space from the flank. That's another strength about his game, he can run at, take on and beat players with the ball at his feet.  

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54 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

You don't get anywhere near as much time and space in that area in the PL. He has a quick brain and is direct but the times he's played up with vardy or just behind he seems to struggle to get the space. The fact he is now scoring a lot of goals on his left foot will make the opposition unsure on whether he'll cut in and shoot on his supposed stronger foot or go on the outside. I like him being part of a fluid front 3 where he can drift all over the place.

Yeah I’d love to see him in a fluid three. Just need the other players now...

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16 minutes ago, FoxFossil said:

Saw a young lad play 50 games on the wing for City before being switched to centre forward. Gary something. Bit hazy but think that worked out ok.

Moderately successful football career I believe, sells crisps now....:ph34r:

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As a newcomer to Forum I've been flicking through old player posts which also brings up old video links. Harvey Barnes has 87 pages but dipping through these is just as much a pleasure as it was JJ's. While the club can field Jamie Vardy, Kasper, JJ and Harvey Barnes we'll never be rubbish. I know its only four players but 4 loyal club men who can perform to a very high standard and always give 100% is enough to go a long way to inspiring the whole team. So far I've only looked through JJ, D Gray, Iheanaco, and Harvey Barnes' player posts but its amazing how quickly the forum members spot talent and commitment (or otherwise )from players earliest selection. You guys are n't as daft as I thought. Whats more I'm sure the club has others with talent, commitment, and hopefully loyalty and I'm hoping Fofana, Soyuncu, Castaigne,Under (if he stays) will also develop as players and stick with LCFC .Perhaps too much to hope for , but I think the clubs future looks pretty rosy for a few years and maybe longer, certainly longer if we can eventually find another gem like Jamie Vardy. What a bargain he's proved.

Final thought I think Brendan Rogers goes a long way in producing player loyalty and contentment at a club. I think slightly tougher half time talks and a bit more emotion and we might have got a really big bargain with Brendan although I know he wasn 't cheap.He's the key man and if only he could get a tiny bit more belief and give the less committed players a tiny bit more inspiration I'd love to see him get a premiership win in England. We could be in a good position to try for this year.

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2 hours ago, Alan Frost said:

As a newcomer to Forum I've been flicking through old player posts which also brings up old video links. Harvey Barnes has 87 pages but dipping through these is just as much a pleasure as it was JJ's. While the club can field Jamie Vardy, Kasper, JJ and Harvey Barnes we'll never be rubbish. I know its only four players but 4 loyal club men who can perform to a very high standard and always give 100% is enough to go a long way to inspiring the whole team. So far I've only looked through JJ, D Gray, Iheanaco, and Harvey Barnes' player posts but its amazing how quickly the forum members spot talent and commitment (or otherwise )from players earliest selection. You guys are n't as daft as I thought. Whats more I'm sure the club has others with talent, commitment, and hopefully loyalty and I'm hoping Fofana, Soyuncu, Castaigne,Under (if he stays) will also develop as players and stick with LCFC .Perhaps too much to hope for , but I think the clubs future looks pretty rosy for a few years and maybe longer, certainly longer if we can eventually find another gem like Jamie Vardy. What a bargain he's proved.

Final thought I think Brendan Rogers goes a long way in producing player loyalty and contentment at a club. I think slightly tougher half time talks and a bit more emotion and we might have got a really big bargain with Brendan although I know he wasn 't cheap.He's the key man and if only he could get a tiny bit more belief and give the less committed players a tiny bit more inspiration I'd love to see him get a premiership win in England. We could be in a good position to try for this year.

Nice post. Barnes was indeed spotted early as a huge talent some years back despite some

knocking him. He is a pleasure to watch and will do very well. I hope we can keep him.

 

Another one to watch out for I think is KDH. I wouldn’t say he is as talented as Barnes, but he will do better than Chilwell at least I think,  eventually if given belief and chance here.

 

I agree with you about Rodgers. He can do a little more inspiring and add a bit more passion and belief. It was understandable when he first come in to talk us down, but a year in I’d like us to have a bit more belief in our plays and show a bit more winning mentality as the title winning team had and the likes of Vardy and Kasper still have.

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One other thing I like about Barnes which shows how old fashioned I am. It seems to me Barnes celebrations of his goals are a little bit more restrained than many. Obviously goals mean so much now in terms of money that celebrations are more and more exotic although shirts off are now banned. Nothing wrong with that I just prefer a bit more restraint. I went to a grammar school in itself giving my age away a bit, a school that year after year had a superlative football record (I was n't ever in the team) often going a whole season without defeat even though there were occasional matches against Cambridge college teams. Woe betide any forward or player showing any excess emotion at scoring a goal. Almost always they are a team effort and the goal scorer has the easiest job of all.but I prefer the old fashioned--score-= straight back for kick off. I suspect that approach probably demoralises the opposition more , acting as if all goals are routine.

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Just now, Alan Frost said:

One other thing I like about Barnes which shows how old fashioned I am. It seems to me Barnes celebrations of his goals are a little bit more restrained than many. Obviously goals mean so much now in terms of money that celebrations are more and more exotic although shirts off are now banned. Nothing wrong with that I just prefer a bit more restraint. I went to a grammar school in itself giving my age away a bit, a school that year after year had a superlative football record (I was n't ever in the team) often going a whole season without defeat even though there were occasional matches against Cambridge college teams. Woe betide any forward or player showing any excess emotion at scoring a goal. Almost always they are a team effort and the goal scorer has the easiest job of all.but I prefer the old fashioned--score-= straight back for kick off. I suspect that approach probably demoralises the opposition more , acting as if all goals are routine.

Prefer the likes of Vardy’s eagle personally 

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4 minutes ago, Unabomber said:

Prefer the likes of Vardy’s eagle personally 

 

4 minutes ago, Unabomber said:

Prefer the likes of Vardy’s eagle personally 

Yeah thats pretty restrained by modern standards and OK with me but still looks a bit off when its a simple unmissable tap in.

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