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The bloke played 119 times total in 8 years that an average of just under 15 games a year . There has also been little sign of him so I doubt we will be seeing him play any time soon . If he does get fit he will only break down again you can guarantee it .Its not just his wages being an issue but the they guy is also stealing the spot another potential signing or thay if a youth product . 

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17 minutes ago, baldeagle said:

Its not just his wages being an issue but the they guy is also stealing the spot another potential signing or thay if a youth product . 

How exactly?

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5 hours ago, Babylon said:

How exactly?

In numerous ways,  firstly his wages that he is paid although probable not massive could be going to someone that actually contributes to the team not just the injury list,  his wages  either going towards a new signing for a first team player or towards an up and coming youngster so to me that’s taking up someone’s  spot  . Secondly in training  (if  fit ) he’s taking up the spot of someone else in training and practice matches  for example if they are playing an 11v11 and you’ve got Matty  James playing instead of one of the youth team  or say a new signing  we could have signed with some of his  wages then he’s taking someone spot . I see the money we are paying him as dead money cause he’s never gonna play in the Prem as he’s never fit so to me he’s is stealing the spot of another player who could be helping us or getting valuable first team experiences . 

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23 minutes ago, baldeagle said:

In numerous ways,  firstly his wages that he is paid although probable not massive could be going to someone that actually contributes to the team not just the injury list,  his wages  either going towards a new signing for a first team player or towards an up and coming youngster so to me that’s taking up someone’s  spot  . Secondly in training  (if  fit ) he’s taking up the spot of someone else in training and practice matches  for example if they are playing an 11v11 and you’ve got Matty  James playing instead of one of the youth team  or say a new saying we could have signed with some of his  wages then he’s taking someone spot . I see the money we are paying him as dead money cause he’s never gonna play in the Prem as he’s never fit so to me he’s is stealing the spot of another player who could be helping us or getting valuable first team experiences . 

If the club didnt want it so, there would be surely in this case more done to move him on....

I believe the relationships within the club,to Vichai, & Top Close  Circle interests towards certain players from the promotion & titles years...I

I lean more towards @Babylon sympathies & explanations...I

 

Something just go above,your not incorrect thoughts...but a certain Ethos & character runs through the club,that goes beyond the business logic..

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12 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

If the club didnt want it so, there would be surely in this case more done to move him on....

I believe the relationships within the club,to Vichai, & Top Close  Circle interests towards certain players from the promotion & titles years...I

I lean more towards @Babylon sympathies & explanations...I

 

Something just go above,your not incorrect thoughts...but a certain Ethos & character runs through the club,that goes beyond the business logic..

Totally get the look after your players ethos but 119 games in 8 years 18 of which were on loan in the Championship he’s been more than liked after . 

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1 hour ago, baldeagle said:

In numerous ways,  firstly his wages that he is paid although probable not massive could be going to someone that actually contributes to the team not just the injury list,  his wages  either going towards a new signing for a first team player or towards an up and coming youngster so to me that’s taking up someone’s  spot  . Secondly in training  (if  fit ) he’s taking up the spot of someone else in training and practice matches  for example if they are playing an 11v11 and you’ve got Matty  James playing instead of one of the youth team  or say a new saying we could have signed with some of his  wages then he’s taking someone spot . I see the money we are paying him as dead money cause he’s never gonna play in the Prem as he’s never fit so to me he’s is stealing the spot of another player who could be helping us or getting valuable first team experiences . 

If he's always injured he's not going to be playing in practice matches, and if he is playing in practice matches it's to try and get him fit. Surely you want the club to actually try and get him fit if they can?

 

The money he's on won't impact any youth team players in terms of their wages. And if we sign another player, we're going to have to pay a fee, a decent one at that if you want a good player. 

 

He could also be on pay as you play. 

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28 minutes ago, baldeagle said:

Totally get the look after your players ethos but 119 games in 8 years 18 of which were on loan in the Championship he’s been more than liked after . 

Its not Really eight years though is it. It was to broken down,in periods where Club were ready to get him back into the playing squad...

WE only got promoted 13/14...Great Esacape...14/15...title 15/16...

Your using hindsight totally out of Sync...

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3 hours ago, Babylon said:

Nobody knows what he's cost or what the deal actually was. For all we know it was heavily linked to appearances. 

 

He played half a season at Barnsley with no issues lets not forget, they didn't just hand someone a contract without playing a game or proving his fitness. Not only that he was excellent for them. 

 

Similar to Amartey, we've decided to secure an asset. Sometimes it will work out, sometimes it won't. Also similar to Amartey we've decided to look after a player when they have a bad time. We can moan all week about what a bad decision financially it was, but it's not our money and we all crow about what a great sprit we've had over the years, or what a great atmosphere the owners cultured, along with Pearson. It's because we do things like that. 

 

It was a year too long, but again we don't know what the actual deal is. It could be bare minimum if he's not fit and playing.  

Aye makes sense

I concur

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41 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Its not Really eight years though is it. It was to broken down,in periods where Club were ready to get him back into the playing squad...

WE only got promoted 13/14...Great Esacape...14/15...title 15/16...

Your using hindsight totally out of Sync...

The facts remain he joined us in 2012  it’s now 2020 he’s Been here 8 years and played 119  games that’s nothing to do with hindsight they are  the facts . If you then take an average Premier league season which is 38 games he’s played 3 seasons worth roughly  out of 8 a lot which will also have been  cups games and substitute appearances coming back from injury so not full games so the guys probable only played 1-2 seasons worth of football . I’d be interested out of all those appearances what actual minutes he’s played total because I think it will be very small so he’s he’s been well looked after over 8 years 

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36 minutes ago, Babylon said:

If he's always injured he's not going to be playing in practice matches, and if he is playing in practice matches it's to try and get him fit. Surely you want the club to actually try and get him fit if they can?

 

The money he's on won't impact any youth team players in terms of their wages. And if we sign another player, we're going to have to pay a fee, a decent one at that if you want a good player. 

 

He could also be on pay as you play. 

Hence why I put in brackets if Fit and they have been trying to get the lad fit for years to no avail  just it isn’t going to happen so I stick by what I say he his taking up someones spot .

I think the money he’s on could impact youth team players , not the ones already here but say we want to start getting in some  new young prospects and his wages although small  could pay them instead of him .  

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On 22/09/2020 at 09:31, UHDrive said:

I agree don't worry... He needs to leave this summer though. Given his age and longevity and to make as much money he can from the rest of his career then it would be best to leave now for a 2/3 year contract at a Championship club level like Kingy and Simpson did albeit kingy was loaned out to Huddersfield.

I can’t see anyone giving him a 3 year contract given his numerous injuries that’s why we can’t get rid of him. 

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On 22/09/2020 at 11:45, Koke said:

His contract runs out in 2021. He will be let go next summer. I dont dislike the guy and I wish him well but his last 3 years here have been a waste of money.

 

He will be 30 when he leaves us so I'm interested to see what level he will play at.

He will get a short term contract somewhere or a pay as you play basis because of his terrible injury record I think

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8 minutes ago, Lcfc82 said:

This is probably a stupid question but is he injured again ? Not even in the squad tonight 

I think he is injured.

 

Unreal isn't it. Wish we could just get rid.

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On 12/07/2020 at 14:56, Angus Scott said:

Spot on. How anybody can say he was better than Drinky is beyond me. Drinky was the best midfield player in the Championship & one of the best in the year we won the Prem.

The only reason he had a poor year in 14/15 was because pig-headed Pearson wouldn't pick him for some reason, despite the pathetic performances we were turning out throughout that winter.

...wasn't Cambiasso playing in his position in that season!!!

 I have said it before but I suspect Pearson wanted to impress on Drinkwater how to run the game and stamping his authority on the team. Cambiasso was a good example of how to do this.

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On 22/09/2020 at 14:35, Ric Flair said:

I said I was likely in the minority but I do believe King was a better player than Matty James. I have never rated him, my admiration if Andy King was probably more as a goalscoring midfielder in the early part of his career rather than when that dried up but the reasons I never rated James was he was the sort of midfielder who bores me. Not a defensive midfielder, nor a creative attacking midfielder. I probably under appreciate such players but not a player I'd have in my team at all. (I'd have 11 wingers personally)

Also strictly my opinion, Box to box midfielders who do everything tackle, defend, be involved in build up and provide assists are far superior to specialist '10s' or '6s'. Give me a De Bruyne over a Fernandes or a Makelele any day of the week. 

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