foxinsocks 1,117 Report post Posted 12 January (edited) 11 hours ago, bennytwohats said: I get all the bad feelings in this thread, but I find it disheartening that people are conflating the VAR technology with the way it's been implemented and the rules that are in effect this year. Current iteration of it clearly isn't working, but there is nothing about the VAR technology that is inherently bad. I liked it better when we just went with ref's decision and then watched MOTD to see if he was a plonker or not Edited 12 January by foxinsocks 7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aus Fox 6,096 Report post Posted 12 January 22 minutes ago, woollett the bullet said: Naive question , did Cags' yellow card stand for the penalty offence although it wasn't given due to offside ? No, it was rescinded as it took place after the initial offence. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
st albans fox 6,693 Report post Posted 12 January 25 minutes ago, woollett the bullet said: Naive question , did Cags' yellow card stand for the penalty offence although it wasn't given due to offside ? It was cancelled - ref went up to him and indicated that 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ithuriel 1,092 Report post Posted 12 January 25 minutes ago, foxinsocks said: I liked it better when we just went with ref's decision and then watched MOTD to see if he was a plonker or not Me too, at least the game flowed unlike now where the decisions are still seen as contentious due to armpits etc., Christ, they need to have a cold, hard look at the rules come the end of the season or dump it. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foxinsocks 1,117 Report post Posted 12 January (edited) 2 hours ago, ithuriel said: Me too, at least the game flowed unlike now where the decisions are still seen as contentious due to armpits etc., Christ, they need to have a cold, hard look at the rules come the end of the season or dump it. The serious side is that we lose the moment of elation.... suppose you had an entertainment business that delivered moments of elation the made people come back for more.. . Why would you throw that away? The fa the pl and all other football authorities are useless blazers.. this week realising bet365 could steam games I return for betting .... homophobia means there is not one footballer out of the closet... racism is not being dealt with... Their desire for knighthoods got southgate appointed... Edited 12 January by foxinsocks 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sheffield_fox 279 Report post Posted 12 January 6 minutes ago, foxinsocks said: The serious side is that we lose the moment of elation.... suppose you had an entertainment business that delivered moments of elation the made people come back for more.. . Why would you throw that away? The fa the pl and all other football authorities are useless blazers.. this week realising bet365 could steam games I return for betting .... homophobia means there is not one footballer out of the closet... racism is not being dealt with... Their desire for knighthoods got southgate appointed... Completely agree. All very serious issues in football that should be being sorted much more effectively than they are. Simply not good enough Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Col city fan 10,380 Report post Posted 12 January 2 minutes ago, foxinsocks said: The serious side is that we lose the moment of elation.... suppose you had an entertainment business that delivered moments of elation the made people come back for more.. . Why would you throw that away? The fa the pl and all other football authorities are useless blazers.. this week realising bet365 could steam games I return for betting .... homophobia means there is not one footballer out of the closet... racism is not being dealt with... Their desire for knighthoods got southgate appointed... That’s the biggest part for me. Both the players and the fans just can’t rejoice in a goal because we all suspect something is going to scupper it. So much so, I’ve started consciously to NOT celebrate until the opposition have kicked off again That’s not how football should be surely? The two big changes I’d make are: 1. Use some sort of ‘clear daylight’ rule for offsides. The current situation is ruling out too many goals on account of mm’s 2. Get our refs using the pitch side monitors The officials at VAR could just tell the refs that something important has happened and the refs could themselves have a quick gander Like they do in the rest of Europe.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DennisNedry 905 Report post Posted 12 January I've moved from neutral to anti VAR. At least, I hate the way it's being used currently. And the hand-ball rule needs to change. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davieG 15,096 Report post Posted 12 January Young Foxes Seal First Win Of 2020 In Style ACADEMY Published 1 hr 43 mins ago 1 MinuteReading time Leicester City's Under-18s enjoyed a wonderful 4-1 victory over Reading at Belvoir Drive in the U18 Premier League South division on Saturday. More on this story... Young Foxes Seal A Point In Norwich Thriller Following last weekend's comeback 4-4 draw at Norwich City, the young Foxes remain unbeaten in 2020 and strengthened their sixth-placed standing in the league with a fifth win of the season. Kian Pennant opened the scoring inside just two minutes at the Club's training ground before older brother Terell doubled City's advantage before the half-hour mark. A composed penalty from Dempsey Arlott-John, on the other hand, made it 3-0 to Leicester, but Alfie Anderson was able to pull one back for the Royals on the cusp of half-time. Expand photoLeicester City U18s Arlott-John sends his penalty into the bottom corner to make it 3-0. However, the home side's intensity continued in the second period with Kian Pennant adding his second goal of the game to send City's youngsters four points clear of Reading in the table. The Club's Under-18s side now have a two-week break until they are next in league action when they are due to visit Motspur Park to tackle Fulham on Saturday 25 January (12pm GMT kick-off). The details... City: Bosworth (c); Sams (Nelson 80'), Aisthorpe, Barrett, Ewing; Arlott-John, Loughlin, T. Pennant (Flynn 80'), Fitzhugh (McAteer 70'), Leathers; K. Pennant Subs not used: Weeks, Marcal-Madivadua Goals: K. Pennant 2', 50', T. Pennant 29', Arlott-John 42' pen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corky 10,558 Report post Posted 12 January Linesman should've put his flag up for Evans' goal, he knew he was offside but by not flagging it gave the impression it was fairly close when it wasn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oxfordfox83 840 Report post Posted 12 January 7 hours ago, Col city fan said: That’s the biggest part for me. Both the players and the fans just can’t rejoice in a goal because we all suspect something is going to scupper it. So much so, I’ve started consciously to NOT celebrate until the opposition have kicked off again That’s not how football should be surely? The two big changes I’d make are: 1. Use some sort of ‘clear daylight’ rule for offsides. The current situation is ruling out too many goals on account of mm’s 2. Get our refs using the pitch side monitors The officials at VAR could just tell the refs that something important has happened and the refs could themselves have a quick gander Like they do in the rest of Europe.... Don’t like the pitchside monitors, they take ages and are weirdly archaic “spin it back for me Malcolm, no just show me the bit where he tripped...” If it’s clear enough to be overruled, they don’t need the ref to have a look, just tell him he was wrong. If it’s not clear enough to do that, they should let his decision stand... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FireFox 1,454 Report post Posted 19 January Was it even used today? Would hate to see them use it less intentionally half-way through a season. Our goal seemed to come from a foul, how the ref didn't realize seems a clear and obvious error. And then we maybe ought to have had a 2nd penalty from a handball - that sort of hands-on-side, but "leaning-into-it" that we were punished for recently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Sly 1,118 Report post Posted 19 January 15 minutes ago, TheUltimateWinner said: Soyunco conceded one similar didn’t he over Christmas? Can’t remember if it was against Liverpool or Manchester City. I’ve tried to erase both from my memory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jonezy 528 Report post Posted 19 January I would like a ref to tell me why that Ben Mee handball is not a pen, when the Caglar one was. The inconsistency in decisions even with the help of VAR is ridiculous in this league. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
st albans fox 6,693 Report post Posted 19 January 3 hours ago, Jonezy said: I would like a ref to tell me why that Ben Mee handball is not a pen, when the Caglar one was. The inconsistency in decisions even with the help of VAR is ridiculous in this league. Because the ref didn’t give it. for the VAR to change the decision, it has to be a call where 95/100 people would give the same decision which is not what the ref called. I expect around 70/75% would think thats a pen so the onfield call of no pen isn’t changed. It’s not a ‘clear and obvious’ error not to give it. We need to get our heads around that the VAR isn’t re referring the game. He is only supposed to change decisions which are unarguably wrong ......there have been some howlers though ...sadly we didn’t get that call today ..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jammie82uk 1,275 Report post Posted 19 January 4 hours ago, FireFox said: Was it even used today? Would hate to see them use it less intentionally half-way through a season. Our goal seemed to come from a foul, how the ref didn't realize seems a clear and obvious error. And then we maybe ought to have had a 2nd penalty from a handball - that sort of hands-on-side, but "leaning-into-it" that we were punished for recently. Yeah it was used to check the penalty we was awarded to make sure it was a foul why it took nearly 2 mins to work that out as the tv viewing public could see it was a foul after 1 replay Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Facecloth 10,647 Report post Posted 19 January Went with my sister to the game today. She rarely watches football on TV and hasn't been to a game in while, and so hadn't really experienced VAR. Even though it was hardly used today, she already hates it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
st albans fox 6,693 Report post Posted 19 January 39 minutes ago, jammie82uk said: Yeah it was used to check the penalty we was awarded to make sure it was a foul why it took nearly 2 mins to work that out as the tv viewing public could see it was a foul after 1 replay I think they were checking a possible offside in the build up though can’t work out why that took so long either. it’s not particularly fair on the taker to be held up ..... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UniFox21 5,446 Report post Posted 23 January Heard it all now. Goalkeepers being way off their line in penalties isn't a big enough issue for VAR. The officials apparently should be calling it rather than the VAR official. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
st albans fox 6,693 Report post Posted 23 January 25 minutes ago, UniFox21 said: Heard it all now. Goalkeepers being way off their line in penalties isn't a big enough issue for VAR. The officials apparently should be calling it rather than the VAR official. Probably because forensic application of var on this law would result in every penalty save being a retake ...... it’s almost impossible for a keeper to stay inside the law ....... Henderson the other night was inexcusable and I suspect you won’t see another one like that missed again this season ...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UniFox21 5,446 Report post Posted 23 January 3 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Probably because forensic application of var on this law would result in every penalty save being a retake ...... it’s almost impossible for a keeper to stay inside the law ....... Henderson the other night was inexcusable and I suspect you won’t see another one like that missed again this season ...... See that's a proper reason and accurate, rather than the shit we get told. Linesman need to keep an eye on it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cardiff_Fox 4,783 Report post Posted 24 January I know a lot of time as passed since we played Saints at home and all the VAR decisions were proved correct. However.... I spoke to my Uncle this week who with Saints reduced allocation got to take his grandkids for the first time. He mentioned how VAR completely bamboozled the kids, who were confused that the score was 2-1 and it completely deflated them. Basically sticking the joy out of football. Disallowed goals happened before but not with such a delay/goal celebration/celebration music etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sammy 265 Report post Posted 24 January A thread that should put to bed the argument that VAR needs a 'bedding in period' to be successful. In it's current form it is not fit for purpose. It ruins celebrations and has led to genuine boredom when waiting for a penalty/goal to be 'confirmed'. Until the technology can slip in as seamlessly as goal line technology we should not have to 'deal' with the problems. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
worth_the_wait 645 Report post Posted 24 January Can we have another poll, now that VAR has been in long enough for us to have a better view on it. (and as most of us voted in the poll, before we really knew what VAR was all about) I'd be amazed if the breakdown remained: Love it 19%, hate it 31%, indifferent 50% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
