The VAR thread

[mozartfox 5,362]

Less concerned about heads than armpits.  If the goal scorer was diving and his body is behind the last defender that always been offside.  Armpits has been introduced by VAR.

[Facecloth 13,848]

20 hours ago, Jimbo said:

The thing is that decision shouldn't have need VAR to intervene. If VAR wasn't a thing we'll never know of it would have been given or not. 

Too may refs are going down the same route as refs in rugby, and are using it as safety net. Some seem to scared and/or confused to give decisions knowing that VAR will help them out.

 

Knowing Pawson though, he would never have given that as a pen, as he didn't. He's such a bad ref and a prime example of refs giving decisions to "bigger" teams. 

Parson is definitely one the refs who uses VAR as a safety net. Clocked it a few times in games not involving Leicester. He holds off on most big decisions and let VAR take over. When they were trying it out in the FA cup a couple of seasons back he was refing a Liverpool WBA game,  and back then the ref had to refer things to VAR if he wanted them checking. He sent pretty much everything to VAR to check. He doesn't want to make a decisions.

[jammie82uk 1,559]

18 hours ago, Kopfkino said:

a camera angle that leads people to wrongly believe that Aurier is the last defender. Even under the Dutch system of a margin of error, he’d still be given offside. Fortunately, Brendan clearly understands there is no argument and I’ve no idea why the fans can’t.

My issue with this is Toby Alderweireld only narrowly appears to be the last defender when the lines are drawn because of a rough guess of where his T-Shirt line is and because the line From Aurier is measured from his right foot 

According to the VAR system apparently Aurier’s right foot is the closest thing to goal for me that is physically impossible due to not just how Aurier is standing when it is paused but also due to his motion in the few seconds before the picture was paused for the VAR check 

 

 

[messerschmitt 314]

I don't think technologically we are too far away from being able to have offsides automatic in real time. GPS and sensors on the ball to time the kick and movement, something simular for the players, perhaps boots and chest.

Hawkeye in tennis apparently can be a few centimeters off, it's not perfect but it's consistent, the same for everyone.

Getting human intervention removed is the best thing, with people drawing lines where they want and guessing when the ball was kicked is asking for problems.

[Gav_LCFC14 339]

I feel like this is the world naturally balancing out all of the crap calls that went against us last season, but we got away with this one luckily. Didn't even notice it in game. (Amartey handball inside the box) 

 

Edited 29 December 2020 by Gav_LCFC14

[Lambert09 3,009]

It’s crazy how if you don’t shout loud enough these things don’t get checked. I felt a few times last season our players didn’t push hard enough. The Brighton and villa ones stick out the most. 
 

Benteke actually didn’t see it and neither did any other players, so there wasn’t the uproar that got var to take a look. 
 

Tbf I didn’t notice it and it sounds like very few did, so without the claims I can see how it was missed 

[Aus Fox 9,046]

That’s a stinky today, luckily it hasn’t hurt us. But the more I see the Dunk tackle on Vardy the more obvious a penalty is.

It’s  not even debatable it’s as clear as they come!

[CrispinLA in Texas 170]

Both Heskey and Townsend on the Panel here both saying it's a Penalty, the Brighton uses his arm on Vardy's leg

Edited 6 March by CrispinLA in Texas

[Mickyblueeyes 2,631]

How does this “clear and obvious” error thing work. Bit simple but to me it’s either a foul or it’s not. I don’t get how something can be questionable from something that is either a yes or no answer.

[KrefelderFox666 1,311]

The main issue I have is why did Oliver not look at the screen himself?

 

Anyway, worked out OK in the end!

[Spudulike 3,683]

Not sure which angle the VAR ref was looking at (probably the one that Sky kept replaying that was inconclusive) but the view from other side shows a clear kick on Vardy's shin. It was a penalty. 

[shade 1,322]

2 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

Not sure which angle the VAR ref was looking at (probably the one that Sky kept replaying that was inconclusive) but the view from other side shows a clear kick on Vardy's shin. It was a penalty. 

yep, I thought the same, one angle obvious, the other inconclusive 

[dayday 1,041]

Neither MOTD or the Sky pundits looked at it after the game, surprising really as it was a stonewall penalty 

[Freeman's Wharfer 2,539]

It showed the fundamental flaw with VAR: that the referee on the pitch is seen as ultimate authority and can only be overruled if he’s made a clear and obvious error.

 

You can look at that incident and say “Dunk’s clipped the ball with the barest of contacts so we won’t give the penalty as it’s not an obvious error” but no one can convince me that Oliver on the pitch saw this minutest of touches and didn’t actually think he’d seen Dunk win the ball cleanly.

 

There is therefore an obvious error: Oliver thinks Dunk has made a fair tackle and won the ball clean but the replays showed he hadn’t. The man in the van is then in a situation where he sees something in the replay that he can use to justify the decision of the on field referee, even if that’s not what the on field referee originally saw.

 

The whole premise of VAR currently is set up to first and foremost vindicate the on field referee rather than saying “refs on the field are disadvantaged by poor

views and/or poor ability, so let’s actually just tell them what they should give outright based on what we see with 20 camera angles”.

 

I can’t imagine there would be many fans that would complain if it were binned tomorrow. I certainly wouldn’t be one now. It’s an absolute mess.

[st albans fox 8,725]

I’m not one for conspiracy theories at all - I hate them infact .....but I can’t help thinking that Man U would have got a pen there either by the ref or the var. 

 

so the big clubs will still get the most big decisions ........especially when fans return ........

[Aus Fox 9,046]

5 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I’m not one for conspiracy theories at all - I hate them infact .....but I can’t help thinking that Man U would have got a pen there either by the ref or the var. 

 

so the big clubs will still get the most big decisions ........especially when fans return ........

No question in mind that in exactly the same incident Man City, Man Utd and Liverpool all get a penalty.

[ian__marshall 87]

Probably going against the grain here, but I didn't think it was a pen. Yes Dunk clearly takes out Vardy, but this was after he's played the ball. I thought JV went looking for the contact and whilst I appreciate that the laws don't take into consideration situational context I'm not convinced Vardy was in a particularly threatening position had the challenge not come in. I think he realised this and was waiting to see if he could entice Dunk into making contact. 

[jammie82uk 1,559]

5 minutes ago, ian__marshall said:

Probably going against the grain here, but I didn't think it was a pen. Yes Dunk clearly takes out Vardy, but this was after he's played the ball. I thought JV went looking for the contact and whilst I appreciate that the laws don't take into consideration situational context I'm not convinced Vardy was in a particularly threatening position had the challenge not come in. I think he realised this and was waiting to see if he could entice Dunk into making contact. 

Dunk didn’t play the ball did he, I was pretty certain Vardy got the touch just before the collision 

[BoyJones 767]

Dunk clearly takes out Vardy before then getting a touch on the ball. A blatant foul. Ref should have gone to pitch side screen.
 

VAR seems to be changing their rules during the season, because the Vardy challenge would have been a pen earlier in the season as would the handball in the Burnley Arsenal game, which was as clear hand to ball as you could wish to see. 

[Ian Nacho 4,092]

Just now, BoyJones said:

Dunk clearly takes out Vardy before then getting a touch on the ball. A blatant foul. Ref should have gone to pitch side screen.
 

VAR seems to be changing their rules during the season, because the Vardy challenge would have been a pen earlier in the season as would the handball in the Burnley Arsenal game, which was as clear hand to ball as you could wish to see. 

Agreed. Thought it was a stonewall pen at the time. 

[deanolegend1989 938]

8 minutes ago, ian__marshall said:

Probably going against the grain here, but I didn't think it was a pen. Yes Dunk clearly takes out Vardy, but this was after he's played the ball. I thought JV went looking for the contact and whilst I appreciate that the laws don't take into consideration situational context I'm not convinced Vardy was in a particularly threatening position had the challenge not come in. I think he realised this and was waiting to see if he could entice Dunk into making contact. 

The worst post I’ve ever read lol. Vardy wasn’t in a threatening position?

So Fofanas at Spurs this season shouldn’t of been given as well?

Its a stonewall penalty, Vardys left foot knocks ball away and Dunk cleans him out. Watch Man Utd’s penalty’s this season and see the difference. I hate believing that we everyone’s against us, but it’s quite clear they don’t want us to be in the CL if possible.

No doubt in my mind if that’s A big 6 team in a big game, there is absolutely NO CHANCE that’s not given.

 

Does anyone truly believe that if Soyuncu did that on Rashford at 1-1 in the 86th minute at the Stratford end that it wouldn’t be given?

[5waller5 1,002]

1 hour ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

How does this “clear and obvious” error thing work. Bit simple but to me it’s either a foul or it’s not. I don’t get how something can be questionable from something that is either a yes or no answer.

It’s very simple.

 

If it’s clear and obviously a Man U, Man City, or Liverpool player then give the penalty.

 

Otherwise, don’t. 

[Blue Fox 72 2,372]

Never a penalty IMO. We would have been livid if it had been given against us.

 

The problem with these decisions is the inconsistency. Sometimes they are given, sometimes not.

[shade 1,322]

27 minutes ago, Blue Fox 72 said:

Never a penalty IMO. We would have been livid if it had been given against us.

 

The problem with these decisions is the inconsistency. Sometimes they are given, sometimes not.

did you see the angle with them running towards the camera? someone post it please?

[LCFCCHRIS 435]

Definitely more of a pen then 85% of the others given this season