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He's only got a role as an impact sub here really. He's got some raw talent but ultimately not quite good enough for the level we're at or aspiring to.

 

No significant improvement since the day he joined us and for that reason i'd cash in.

 

I suspect his stock is higher outside of LCFC as others seem to rate him, and I think we'd get upwards of £25-30M which we could reinvest more wisely.

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16 minutes ago, DerbyshireFox said:

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-hotspur-keeping-close-tabs-3327065

 

Spurs keeping tabs on Gray, Barnes and Maddison. We could all chip in and get Demarai a taxi to London! Although of the three I imagine he’d be bottom of their list - they can’t afford the other two though :D

Good of the Mercury to regurgitate paper-thin rumours from a site that thought we owned Ashley Barnes in an effort to move Gray on. :ph34r:

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51 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

I've defended Gray over the summer and considered this new season his "last chance saloon" to kick on.

 

I hold my hands up. I was too lenient. His return for someone in his position is terrible and against Man Utd. he was back to his absolute worst. Doing too much with the ball expecting a worldie to open up for him, running into cul-de-sacs, crossing poorly and generally being powderpuff on the ball against one of the physically weakest Man U sides I've ever seen.

 

Knowing how his career to date has panned out, he'll play against weaker opposition in Luton, put in something half approaching a shift, probably score a decent long-range goal and then we'll be back to square one of him clinging to an EPL spot and coasting, costing us in the process.

 

I don't think there's ever been a player in our squad, at least not in the 12 years I've been a regular, that has coasted and dined out on a handful of good moments as much as Demarai. I can count on one hand the genuinely memorable contributions he has made as a fox:

  • Worldie against Man Utd
  • Cup goal against Derby
  • Run to feed Vardy for the first goal under Puel
  • That goal at Cardiff (admittedly a beautiful thing to witness and one i'll remember fondly)

Four positive moments, one of which was a consolation goal in a lost game, is all I can attribute to him in three seasons and, as a supposed creative influence on our team, that's appalling whichever way you slice it. 

 

He'll have my support when he's on the pitch, but I think my mind is made up - move him on. 

.. what was it about him that made you believe he would come good in time? 

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There's a game once every season where he does something quite good and its looks as if hes matured but then he doesn't back it up.

 

Understandably he could point to Mahrez being there as a reason for being out of the team but after a year or so he is still stuck in a rut.

 

I could imagine that patience will run out by the end of the season.

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Gray just doesn't seem to have the confidence to use the things he processes. He could use his pace to run at defences, his end product is often poor but if he ran at defences a bit more he would at least cause a distraction. He too often just seems not bothered. 

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1 hour ago, Blue ROI said:

There's a game once every season where he does something quite good and its looks as if hes matured but then he doesn't back it up.

 

Understandably he could point to Mahrez being there as a reason for being out of the team but after a year or so he is still stuck in a rut.

 

I could imagine that patience will run out by the end of the season.

... if Rodgers claims he is performing in training, what could be the reason why he fails to bring any of those qualities in games. Could it be :-

  (a).. lack of confidence 

  (b).. arrogance.. team to be built around him? 

  (c)... lack of football knowledge. 

  (d)... need a run of games in order to gel with the team. 

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1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

.. what was it about him that made you believe he would come good in time? 

Honestly, blind hope mostly. :sweating:

I guess the torrid first season a certain Jamie Vardy had for us, during which I myself was clamouring for Martyn Waghorn to take his place alongside Nugent, has warped my belief in players being able to "come good". The reality is, I don't think we've had a single example since Vardy of a player recovering from a poor start to their foxes career to become the proverbial dog's doo-dahs for us, but I live in (usually false) hope that those players just need a run in the team or a chance to play to their strengths to become a valuable asset.

 

It's probably a bit of a siege mentality to be honest. In the back of my head I still think the likes of Iheanacho or Ghezzal just "need a proper chance", even though all facts and logic point to them simply not being good enough. It generally takes a player having a terrible attitude to back up their poor performances (see - Slimani) for me to want them out of the club. Maybe I'm just contrary. :ph34r:

 

 

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5 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

 (d)... need a run of games in order to gel with the team. 

How about 140 appearances, is that enough? Actually crazy looking at his list of appearances over the last few seasons: 

 

15/16: 14

16/17: 41

17/18: 44

18/19: 39

19/20: 2

 

From that time I can remember probably 3 stand out moment from him, and one of those was only really memorable as it was the game after the helicopter crash. We'd be hideously disappointed if in 130 ish appearances time, Barnes was still returning such pitiful numbers.  

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This run of games thing is an absolute myth. It's fair enough with Barnes as it's legitimately and for him, still relatively early days.

 

Gray's had every excuse in the book made on here for him and it's the same every time.

 

The most infuriating thing about him is he DOES have some ability, he's just got no idea at all how to apply it.

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58 minutes ago, OntarioFox said:

Honestly, blind hope mostly. :sweating:

I guess the torrid first season a certain Jamie Vardy had for us, during which I myself was clamouring for Martyn Waghorn to take his place alongside Nugent, has warped my belief in players being able to "come good". The reality is, I don't think we've had a single example since Vardy of a player recovering from a poor start to their foxes career to become the proverbial dog's doo-dahs for us, but I live in (usually false) hope that our.

 

It's probably a bit of a siege mentality to be honest. In the back of my head I still think the likes of Iheanacho or Ghezzal just "need a proper chance", even though all facts and logic point to them simply not being good enough. It generally takes a player having a terrible attitude to back up their poor performances (see - Slimani) for me to want them out of the club. Maybe I'm just contrary. :ph34r:

 

 

.. I can understand that!! 

You make a decision and then find it difficult to recant until something else turns up for you to safe face. 

  Funny enough, I did not think that Vardys'  first season was bad, always thought he was looking to do the right thing but his team mates could not read him or did not have the sense to put themselves in a position to be on the end of the crosses and balls played into the box. Even now Vardy puts in a better ball in the box than any of our wide players do.

  The change in his second year was him having worked at his craft and playing in the position which suited him. 

   I really think that there is a need to look at the mental aspects of what a player is going through, when it is obvious that there is a distinct contradiction between performances, over time. Vardy said he considered giving up as he didn't believe he could make the grade, the fact that he sat down and talked to someone about it, and the reassurances he must have received has led to him becoming one of the biggest, most influencial, player at this club. 

 I really think that a professional psychiatric department should be something that all clubs should have. We can't just pay lip service to the science it needs to be a fundamental part of our club. 

  How much more productive with a sense of loyalty, could a business be, if you know that someone cares, what you are going through. 

 

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ok - i went to man u on saturday and it was apparent early doors thta gray was having a stinker - it happens. Its down to brendan to take action - after 25 mins he should have been hooked off - staying on for another 35 mins did him no favours and if anything has dented whatever little bit of confidence he had. Back to the subs bench for tottenham and on for the last 25 to make a positive impact.(fingers crossed|)

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33 minutes ago, Cameron Davidson said:

The best game he had I think was Puels first. That run to set up Vardy.... :)

...absolutely no reason that type of play could not have been replicated twenty times a season. The fact that he actually released the ball to Mahrez was a surprise but it was the right decision...Mahrez to Vardy and the rest is history.

Why did he release the ball that time and then forever fail to see the options available to him time after time.

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