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3 hours ago, Meat and 2 veg said:

He had every chance of being the key man when riyad left. The reason he didn’t take it is because he is not good enough. 

Exactly, but I should've made it clearer on the him potentially being a 'key man' for a team towards the bottom of the league or even somewhere like West Brom etc/whoever wins the play-off in May when they get promoted.

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On 29/01/2020 at 16:33, st albans fox said:

He had been asked to cover/mark grealish, their best player .... I expect this had been drummed into him when he came on. Watch the move - gray is drawn towards el mohamedy but thinks twice as he drops back to cover grealish - that’s what effect a really good player has - he only has to stand still to affect the game !! 

It's Jack Grealish, not mark

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On 29/01/2020 at 13:19, SO1 said:

Just watched the winning goal. Which player does he cover? Scapegoat Gray if it makes you feel better. But he was caught between a rock and a hard place.

This place is so predictable. and sad.

He was “caught between a rock and a hard place” and choose to cover NEITHER! lol

 

Personally, I do not indulge in blanket player-bashing, but have absolutely no qualms with alternatively commending and condemning (criticizing) any player’s specific performances. Just as many of us applauded Gray’s performance against West Ham (despite the missed PK), we can say that he bottled it against Villa.

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Said for at least the past two years that despite his potential, he will never ever be more than a championship player,  although his work ethic has improved, sadly his brain refuses to evolve

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Would be a very good signing for someone like Aston Villa or West Brom, clubs that are unlikely to remain in a league after a season or so.

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I think he's done here to be honest and will probably be sold in the summer - I think if they stay up it'll be Bournemouth, they've always bought long term targets.

 

With a year left on his deal it suits all parties. I think it'd be good for him.

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3 hours ago, mod hero said:

Has Gray played at all since Villa in the cup? Not sure he has. Might indicate Rodgers lays some of the blame for the goal.

 

Surely looking at bombing him out in the summer.

He only has a year left on his contract after this season, probably not done enough to warrant a new contract, not worth loaning out, only option really is to sell him, shame really I thought he was going to do well for us.

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Gray frustrates me, as I can see there's a player in there and he can do some fantastic things, but he makes poor decisions or switches off at times. For what we aspire to be, it's not good enough. Pep or Klopp wouldn't stand for it. Pep wasn't playing Mahrez until he was confident he'd be on it all game, he doesn't play Stones because he knows he's likely to have a brain fart. It can be ironed out of a player, but we've been trying so long on that side of Gray's game, and there only seems to be slight improvements.

 

He's the attacking equivalent of Titus Bramble. Bramble could have a faultless 89 minutes and then needless two foot the striker in the box and give away a penalty. 

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51 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Gray frustrates me, as I can see there's a player in there and he can do some fantastic things, but he makes poor decisions or switches off at times. For what we aspire to be, it's not good enough. Pep or Klopp wouldn't stand for it. Pep wasn't playing Mahrez until he was confident he'd be on it all game, he doesn't play Stones because he knows he's likely to have a brain fart. It can be ironed out of a player, but we've been trying so long on that side of Gray's game, and there only seems to be slight improvements.

 

He's the attacking equivalent of Titus Bramble. Bramble could have a faultless 89 minutes and then needless two foot the striker in the box and give away a penalty. 

I see the point you're trying to make but I don't think Gray has ever had a faultless 29 minutes, let alone 89. 

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The time is right to move on, with hopefully reinforcements in our wide positions coming in the summer (although I wouldn't count on it) we need to cash on someone we can still probably get a reasonable fee for. I think there's enough teams in this league that would want him. If he goes somewhere he'll play most games I think we could eventually see him get decent numbers but he's never going to get that opportunity here.

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45 minutes ago, Nod.E said:

I see the point you're trying to make but I don't think Gray has ever had a faultless 29 minutes, let alone 89. 

Different for attackers and defenders though. Vardy won't have had a faultless 90 minutes either, Evans will though.

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3 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Different for attackers and defenders though. Vardy won't have had a faultless 90 minutes either, Evans will though.

Exactly! You made the comparison, buddy lol

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When he arrived we all saw him as the future. Sure he had a few rough edges, fluffed his lines occasionally but he still a raw teenager.  Despite all the promise, and no lack of raw talent, he has not progressed. He was given every chance by firstly Puel (who tbf tried him in a variety of positions, none of which he excelled in) and Rodgers when he first arrived. Both coaches who have reputations for being able to develop young players, yet neither able to get any sort of sustained tune from him. Admittedly, he has impressed on a few occasions as an impact sub, but whenever he then gets a start he seems to go backwards again.  When you look at the strides made by the likes of Chilwell, Barnes etc, and latterly Nacho (something i will readily admit i had almost given up on seeing) it cannot be the mentoring and coaching at the club but something within himself.  Sadly i think he has run his course with us and it is probably in everyones best interests if he looks elsewhere while he still has youth on his side and can forge a decent career somewhere like Bournemouth or Palace.

I suppose we should not expect every youngster we sign to be the next Ronaldo/Messi and some will just not work out. 

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If you look at our regular starting XI and our squad as a whole and you rationally understand we are still a long way from being a top 4 juggernaut it's peripheral players like Gray, Albrighton etc that might sadly have to be moved on and replaced with players as good, or hopefully better than the likes of Perez and Barnes and it's they who then challenge the better calibre for a place. We have his a plateau of late and although we have made huge improvements under Rodgers, there's much more to come and he will look to improve our starting XI and squad. Out wide is the obvious weak area, Gray is surely going to be moved on in the summer.

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Gray has Premier league attributes but sadly only a Championship brain, he will never improve and will finish his career limping over the line at some shitty club like Birmingham.

 

Said it for years.

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