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12 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Missing the part where Kante and Chelsea went on to win the league that season while we were fighting relegation for most of it. He’d won the title with us, there was literally nothing more he could of achieved at us and was always destined to go to a bigger more prestigious club unfortunatley. Way i see it is we are lucky to have had someone as good as him even for one season. Him and any other player from that team should get a standing ovation anytime they return to the KP for what they did. Some people really are so bitter its unbelievable.

It’s not missing that part out though, yes he’s won the league at Chelsea and a Europa League as well - but after that title winning season he shown himself as the best defensive midfielder of his generation. He could’ve gone to Juventus, Real, Barca... a club with prestige, not Chelsea, and cemented himself as a legend within the game. He’s not even been Chelsea’s best midfielder this season, the point I’m trying to make from the beginning in booing him is as his greed in summer 2016 has led to his career being quite underwhelming for what it could’ve and should’ve been. 
 

You can call it bitterness or maybe it’s just not respecting a decision that was made as he should’ve been so much more? I wouldn’t have cared if he’d gone to one of the aforementioned teams that summer, would’ve been quite nice for a Leicester player to go on to be a superstar but he’s not really done it since 2017 has he?

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20 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said:

Missing the part where Kante and Chelsea went on to win the league that season while we were fighting relegation for most of it. He’d won the title with us, there was literally nothing more he could of achieved at us and was always destined to go to a bigger more prestigious club unfortunatley. Way i see it is we are lucky to have had someone as good as him even for one season. Him and any other player from that team should get a standing ovation anytime they return to the KP for what they did. Some people really are so bitter its unbelievable.

There wasn't 'literally nothing' he could achieve. He literally could've helped us into our first champions league campaign which would've been his first too.  He literally couldn't have achieved that and could've have done that with Chelsea that year. 

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Just now, foxile5 said:

There wasn't 'literally nothing' he could achieve. He literally could've helped us into our first champions league campaign which would've been his first too.  He literally could've achieved that and could've have done that with Chelsea that year. 

100% right. This is what pisses me off, when people just act like that title winning team was shit and couldn’t have gone on to do anything else. Kante left at our highest point and a low one for Chelsea for money, it’s fine people saying they went on to win the league but he didn’t know they would! He knew he had Champions League football at Leicester though and not at Chelsea, that was the only guarantee for 16/17.

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3 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

100% right. This is what pisses me off, when people just act like that title winning team was shit and couldn’t have gone on to do anything else. Kante left at our highest point and a low one for Chelsea for money, it’s fine people saying they went on to win the league but he didn’t know they would! He knew he had Champions League football at Leicester though and not at Chelsea, that was the only guarantee for 16/17.

Yeah people struggle with cognitive dissonance. 

 

He was our finest player in our midfield but he left for a team with no guarantee of success. He won the league with them, well played, but there was no iron clad guarantee of that. If he was 'humble' like some made out then the money and prestige of Chelsea wouldn't have been so irresistible. He had money and prestige with us. 

 

Wasted talent in many ways. He should've been at a bigger club for the better years of his career

 

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On 29/04/2020 at 10:23, pmcla26 said:

Kante rightly booed for leaving a club at its highest point, with champions league, for a side that finished mid table but offered more £. 
 

Mahrez, again, rightly booed. There’s no misinterpretation for saying he wasted 2 years of his career at Leicester. How else do you want it dressed up? 

Kante left for a bigger club where he won the title again, became a cog in the French team that won the world cup and is quite likely to end up at Madrid.

 

Mahrez, and I think many people need to hear this, did waste 2 years of his career at Leicester. He stayed for the Champions League campaign and it's pretty clear we promised him an exit at that point, then we tried to keep him here despite the fact we'd become a mid table team going nowhere under puel. Whilst he did have an unprofessional paddy mid season, he still came back to be our best player by a mile (as we weren't playing to the strengths of vardy). 

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10 minutes ago, Toddybad said:

Kante left for a bigger club where he won the title again, became a cog in the French team that won the world cup and is quite likely to end up at Madrid.

 

Mahrez, and I think many people need to hear this, did waste 2 years of his career at Leicester. He stayed for the Champions League campaign and it's pretty clear we promised him an exit at that point, then we tried to keep him here despite the fact we'd become a mid table team going nowhere under puel. Whilst he did have an unprofessional paddy mid season, he still came back to be our best player by a mile (as we weren't playing to the strengths of vardy). 

 

He wasted 1 year at best. Playing in the Champions League with us was not a waste of his career even if the awful league season was a waste of his time. Allegedly nobody came in for him in the summer if 2016 anyway.

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7 minutes ago, Toddybad said:

Kante left for a bigger club where he won the title again, became a cog in the French team that won the world cup and is quite likely to end up at Madrid.

 

Mahrez, and I think many people need to hear this, did waste 2 years of his career at Leicester. He stayed for the Champions League campaign and it's pretty clear we promised him an exit at that point, then we tried to keep him here despite the fact we'd become a mid table team going nowhere under puel. Whilst he did have an unprofessional paddy mid season, he still came back to be our best player by a mile (as we weren't playing to the strengths of vardy). 

I'm really not sure Mahrez was our best player by a mile at the end of that season. On occasions, yes, but a look at the player ratings threads from that period tells us that it wasn't a clear-cut or consistent thing. And there's little doubt that the problems connected with him played a major part in derailing our season, just as his dreadful form the previous season (as one of many factors, including poor investment, the ageing of the squad, the disorientation caused by having won the league, Ranieri's erratic decision-making, the loss of Kante, the way sides set up to nullify us and the loss of form of Vardy) played a major part in us not doing a great deal better in the league. So, yes, maybe he wasted that time, but he needs to look at the part he played in making it a waste of time.

 

It's impossible to know what agreements had and hadn't occurred. A player who wanted to leave said he'd been made assurances, but the detail has never been clear and we only ever heard one side of the story. What's certain is that he had a contract and at one point he wasn't respecting it, though in the wider context of his achievements - and given the uncertainty over what had and hadn't been said - I wouldn't hold it against him too much. But a contract, regardless of verbal promises. has to be respected more than he respected it. Most of us on this forum will have had personal experiences where we had to respect a contractual agreement despite verbal promises being broken in the meantime, and I don't see why we should sympathise with Mahrez having been in the same situation, but having the profile and the wealth to be able not to honour his obligations. Many other players have just got on with it in the same circumstances.

 

As for Gray, he spent too much time complaining about his lack of game-time and not enough working on his own game. I don't know whether the rumours about him being problematic under Ranieri were true, but I do know that his agent was having meetings with the club about his lack of game time under Shakespeare, and that these conversations contributed to a feeling in the club that a new manager could do more with our younger players. So you could argue that his demand for game-time, not to mention the unsettling impact of his frequent social media gripes, served to undermine CS. The upshot of it all became clear under Puel when he finally got the game-time and failed to make the most of it. So, much like the Mahrez situation, he'd have to look at himself if (and it's a big if, of course) he's unhappy about the past few seasons. When you consider where he came from, and the fee, you'd hope that he'd be positive about a move which gave him a title winner's medal within 6 months, CL football, and 100+ matches (in which, for the most part, it's generally agreed that he under-performed) for a mid-table-to-top-half EPL side.

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27 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

He wasted 1 year at best. Playing in the Champions League with us was not a waste of his career even if the awful league season was a waste of his time. Allegedly nobody came in for him in the summer if 2016 anyway.

Ok, there's an argument to be had about 1/2 years dependent on what offers he had, but my point really was that I don't think it's unfair for him to feel he wasted part of his career. 

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1 hour ago, pmcla26 said:

It’s not missing that part out though, yes he’s won the league at Chelsea and a Europa League as well - but after that title winning season he shown himself as the best defensive midfielder of his generation. He could’ve gone to Juventus, Real, Barca... a club with prestige, not Chelsea, and cemented himself as a legend within the game. He’s not even been Chelsea’s best midfielder this season, the point I’m trying to make from the beginning in booing him is as his greed in summer 2016 has led to his career being quite underwhelming for what it could’ve and should’ve been. 
 

You can call it bitterness or maybe it’s just not respecting a decision that was made as he should’ve been so much more? I wouldn’t have cared if he’d gone to one of the aforementioned teams that summer, would’ve been quite nice for a Leicester player to go on to be a superstar but he’s not really done it since 2017 has he?

...so what you are saying if he had gone to Barca, Real, PSG or Juve, you wouldn't have booed him!!!

If as previously mentioned he is a admirer of Chelsea and followed them, then this opportunity to move is just common sense. His numbers were top of the list under Conte but Sarri moved him out wide, for some reason Lampard has followed that thought process and a move from Chelsea now to his preferred position will see him back to his best.

 You never did answer my question, from knowing who he is and the way he conducts himself are you still saying he is all about the Pound notes!!!! 

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I thought Gray would step up when Mahrez left. I got that he was annoyed at being sub, but at the time he was seen as the new up and coming one. A bit like Maddison, Chilwell and Grealish. He was ahead of them in the pecking order. He just never progressed, to the point where the others around like Mason Mount have all outgrown him too. He may push on and realise his potential, but I am not sure, and I doubt it will be with us. It is a shame as I remember points last year when we had a front 5 of Tielemans, Maddison, Barnes, Gray and Vardy. Looked solid on paper, but spot the odd one out now. 

 

 

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Just had to check facts and he's only just coming up on 24. However, it has been a LONG time since he had a consistent run of more than 60 mins per game. Clearly Brendan doesn't see anything in him. It's such a shame because he really had potential but he was given most of the season under Puel. It's a tough one because you really want him to progress.

 

I like to have SOME hope because Nacho absolutely turned it round and showed us all what he's capable of but Demarai's been here nearly 4 years now. I think, unfortunately, it's back to the Championship for him. 

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2 hours ago, foxile5 said:

Yeah people struggle with cognitive dissonance. 

 

He was our finest player in our midfield but he left for a team with no guarantee of success. He won the league with them, well played, but there was no iron clad guarantee of that. If he was 'humble' like some made out then the money and prestige of Chelsea wouldn't have been so irresistible. He had money and prestige with us. 

 

Wasted talent in many ways. He should've been at a bigger club for the better years of his career

 

No guarantee, true, but Chelsea did actually win the league. So if he was chancing it, he proved right. 

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14 minutes ago, Webbo said:

No guarantee, true, but Chelsea did actually win the league. So if he was chancing it, he proved right. 

Oh yeah no doubt. But they'd have been interested the year after. It was highly disappointing. And all this 'humble' stuff really serves to highlight that action as highly unhumble. 

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4 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

It’s not missing that part out though, yes he’s won the league at Chelsea and a Europa League as well - but after that title winning season he shown himself as the best defensive midfielder of his generation. He could’ve gone to Juventus, Real, Barca... a club with prestige, not Chelsea, and cemented himself as a legend within the game. He’s not even been Chelsea’s best midfielder this season, the point I’m trying to make from the beginning in booing him is as his greed in summer 2016 has led to his career being quite underwhelming for what it could’ve and should’ve been. 
 

You can call it bitterness or maybe it’s just not respecting a decision that was made as he should’ve been so much more? I wouldn’t have cared if he’d gone to one of the aforementioned teams that summer, would’ve been quite nice for a Leicester player to go on to be a superstar but he’s not really done it since 2017 has he?

Ey? The guy would literally walk into every starting 11 in the world, hes one of the best dm midfielders there is. Its only because he plays with world class players for France and is played out of position for Chelsea to fit into their style that he doesnt stand out as much as he did imo.

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58 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Oh yeah no doubt. But they'd have been interested the year after. It was highly disappointing. And all this 'humble' stuff really serves to highlight that action as highly unhumble. 

It's a job. He isn't a City fan. If you got offered more money to work in a company with more prestige that would likely see you win other awards you'd jump at it, the same as any of us.

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4 hours ago, foxile5 said:

There wasn't 'literally nothing' he could achieve. He literally could've helped us into our first champions league campaign which would've been his first too.  He literally couldn't have achieved that and could've have done that with Chelsea that year. 

If Kante had stayed we would have won the Champions League

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19 minutes ago, Toddybad said:

It's a job. He isn't a City fan. If you got offered more money to work in a company with more prestige that would likely see you win other awards you'd jump at it, the same as any of us.

You're precisely right. 

 

It just isn't humble to have a mercenary attitude. I entirely understand his moving. It just isn't in keeping with the humble narrative. 

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1 hour ago, foxile5 said:

You're precisely right. 

 

It just isn't humble to have a mercenary attitude. I entirely understand his moving. It just isn't in keeping with the humble narrative. 

That isn't mercenary. Think you're running out of road with your argument tbh 

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2 hours ago, South Shire Fox said:

Ey? The guy would literally walk into every starting 11 in the world, hes one of the best dm midfielders there is. Its only because he plays with world class players for France and is played out of position for Chelsea to fit into their style that he doesnt stand out as much as he did imo.

Not even been Chelsea’s best midfielder this year ...

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8 hours ago, Toddybad said:

Ok, there's an argument to be had about 1/2 years dependent on what offers he had, but my point really was that I don't think it's unfair for him to feel he wasted part of his career. 

 

 

it could be argued that his first year at Man City was wasted as he hardly ever played.

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