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2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Not for this club, this squad, this team, this manager.

 

I get bored of people slating new signings within their first month here. It happened with Evans and Ricardo last season.

But you know what you're getting.

 

I get bored of being told that I can't have an opinion on a player or a signing until some arbitrary date in the future.  My opinion is not based on the three games he's played but career to date and frankly I don't think he's good enough.

 

Imagine if we signed Lee Cattermole.

 

Now imagine we signed Luis Suarez.

 

Would you really not have any opinion about that?  One good perhaps, one bad?   

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43 minutes ago, murphy said:

But you know what you're getting.

 

I get bored of being told that I can't have an opinion on a player or a signing until some arbitrary date in the future.  My opinion is not based on the three games he's played but career to date and frankly I don't think he's good enough.

 

Imagine if we signed Lee Cattermole.

 

Now imagine we signed Luis Suarez.

 

Would you really not have any opinion about that?  One good perhaps, one bad?   

You can have an opinion, everybody can, that's the point of the forum. 

 

But it's the same thing every season regardless of who we sign. If they don't look good in two games the same people on here start to write them off. 

 

Personally, regardless of who we sign I'm always willing to give them a good month or more first not just three games if that.

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58 minutes ago, murphy said:

Absolute nonsense.

 

Even for you!   

 

The Edward Lear master of nonsense.  :P  

 

 

Read the Historical posts,over the last 3 yrs on any of those players....I dont Need to Quality or confirm...Nonsense..!!

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42 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Read the Historical posts,over the last 3 yrs on any of those players....I dont Need to Quality or confirm...Nonsense..!!

I did.

 

I was there.

 

But lets' just agree to disagree on that.  You're not going to go trawling through historical posts to try and support your argument and I am certainly not going to, to show that you're wrong.  I have better things to do.  There's a sock drawer upstairs in urgent need of tidying.

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1 hour ago, murphy said:

 

 

Imagine if we signed Lee Cattermole.

 

Now imagine we signed Luis Suarez.

 

Would you really not have any opinion about that?  One good perhaps, one bad?   

I suppose you're right.

 

One is a horrible biting, diving and hand-balling cheat. The other is a world class midfielder that we should have signed instead of Cambiasso.

 

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9 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

Opinions are great, unwillingness to change them or admit being wrong are less so. 

That is exactly what I have said all along to counter this idea that you can't have an opinion based upon what you see.

 

Leaving Perez aside, as my opinion on his signing is based upon his Premier League career not on three games, but I have always argued that it is perfectly reasonable to call it as you see it and that if you are going to criticise a player then you should also be happy to give credit where it's due.

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16 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Lots of football fans pretty much go OTT (either way) about players / managers after a handful of games.

Let's not forget Vardy struggled in the Championship at first and again in his first PL season and he's turned out rather well at the top level.

 

Perez hasn't really worked... yet.

He may not work for us of course but sticking the boot in this early doesn't reflect too well on fans.

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37 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Lots of football fans pretty much go OTT (either way) about players / managers after a handful of games.

Let's not forget Vardy struggled in the Championship at first and again in his first PL season and he's turned out rather well at the top level.

 

Perez hasn't really worked... yet.

He may not work for us of course but sticking the boot in this early doesn't reflect too well on fans.

I don't know how many times I can keep saying the same thing but it's not about sticking the boot in after three games, for me, it is disappointment in signing a player for a position that is really the missing piece of the jigsaw and falling short.  That's based on what I already know of him, not three games. 

 

I find it more bizarre to expect that a player that you know, might somehow become a different player when he signs for us.

 

Now where's that sock drawer...

 

 

 

 

 

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He's already dropped from starting lineup so there's definitely something to consider for BR.

Not sure if Perez is going to start next game but we need to take advantage of ManU's LB being Young at the moment so it will be very interesting choice.

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Give the bloke a chance.

 

For me, the reason he hasn't played well yet is our set up. With Perez, Maddison, Tieleman's in the midfield they've all looked lost at times, and without that natural winger to stretch the opposition, those midfielders don't have the pockets to work in. 

 

Maybe he'd work best up front with Vardy, in a 3-5-2 line up, if we're going to play him in the same team as Maddison & Tielemans.

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Sure there used to be a period of time for a player to settle in. Didn't a once great manager also say as much.

 

When you are moving to a new team it takes time to fit into systems, style of play and even become comfortable in the area/stadium.

 

He will come good in time I reckon. 

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On 11/09/2019 at 19:19, murphy said:

He's played 182 Premier League games.  Informed opinions are quite legitimate.

 

 

And they would be accepted if they weren't from Foxestalk muppets who've watched him in 3 of those 182.

 

If Brendan Rodgers thinks he's worth 30m and a place in his team, then pardon me if i have faith in him over this BLAME WELLENS mob.

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Poor Ayoze. You guys still at him? He must be getting awfully sore from that continuous pounding. :surrender:

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To be fair (about not being fair) a lot of the posters writing off Perez now were writing him off before he ever played a match for us.

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8 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

And they would be accepted if they weren't from Foxestalk muppets who've watched him in 3 of those 182.

 

If Brendan Rodgers thinks he's worth 30m and a place in his team, then pardon me if i have faith in him over this BLAME WELLENS mob.

 

Why does it have to be so confrontational?

 

This muppet feels quite entitled to have an opinion about a player that is very well known in the PL and whether or not I think it's good business for us to sign him for £30m or whether we should have been aiming much higher.

 

Not every signing is a success.  Not every Rodgers/Congerton signing works out.

 

You disagree?  Fine, but I do resent the fact that if you raise your head above the parapet to voice concerns you are automatically tarred as part of some kind of nay-saying hate mob.  I don't particularly enjoy being on this side of the argument and you don't know the first thing about me so please spare me the lazy assumptions.

 

As it happens I was 'Puel in', I was positive about the signing of some of our high profile failures like Nacho and Silva for example, I have rallied against the abuse that Wes gets on here and Ghezzal, preached patience in Chilwell's first year but it is witlessly assumed by the hard of thinking that one opinion puts you into one camp.  Things are not so black and white.

 

I call it as I see it.  Largely I have been very positive about recent signings - Youri, Justin, Maddison, Evans, Ricardo.  Those I think are mistakes or overspends I have called too - Ghezzal, Perez.  What is wrong with that on a forum in which our opinions are kinda the whole point? 

 

 

 

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I think to be fair to him we have not been at our best in the games we have started utilising the midfield Diamond set up. he was probably a little unfortunate not to have featured when we changed the system against Bournemouth. We may well have seen more from him in that system. That said as per we looked a much better balanced and purposeful side with Albrighton on the pitch and Grey also did OK when he came on so it will be interesting to see if, and where, he plays next.

 

I still believe he is a good addition to the squad, even if not a guaranteed starter.  He may well prove to be invaluable as a main striker if Vardy gets injured, or if we go to two up front.

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1 hour ago, Shane said:

I would start Perez at RW against United. Good game for him to gain some confidence up against Ashley Young..

 

 

 

I think with Man Utd’s depleted squad, they’re very likely to sit back and absorb our pressure for long periods. I don’t think this would suit Perez as he seems the type to press a team who want to play with the ball. I don’t think he’ll start, for tactical reasons not his ability. He’ll be useful this season and will be a good option when we want some energy pressing teams, or if Vardy is out. I’d give it time, he hasn’t had a great start but that matches the games where we weren’t great overall. 

 

*Disclaimer - I could be completely wrong.

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Does anyone know where he fits in currently?!? 
 

Matt Le Tissier apparently mentioned it yesterday also.
 

I can only think we’ve purchased him 12 months in advance of someone else leaving. Similar to Soyunco and Benkovic.   

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