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I think Ayoze has similar qualities to what Riyad had for us, ok he is not as good a winger but he is playing as a wide forward.

 

although riyad has a great first touch, I have seen on many occasions Ayoze pulling the ball down out of the sky with an excellent touch. He is also a great outlet for kaspar if we want to counter quickly due to this.

 

they both have similar pace and push the opposition full backs back.

 

Ayoze is harder working by a mile.

 

who is the better player? Riyad of course, but Ayoze is a better fit for our style of play nowadays.

 

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Perez and Barnes should think of themselves as more than "wingers" they are strikers and should look to get in goal scoring areas just like Vardy . As I have said before they should try to emulate the Salah, Firmino , Mané triple threat of Liverpool.

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6 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

Perez and Barnes should think of themselves as more than "wingers" they are strikers and should look to get in goal scoring areas just like Vardy . As I have said before they should try to emulate the Salah, Firmino , Mané triple threat of Liverpool.

 

You think Rodgers’ tactics are working so poorly we need to graft on another club’s?  I'd rather trust him to come up with tactics that suit our players, as opposed to Liverpool’s.

 

Perez and Barnes coordinate/share space not only with attacking fullbacks, but with a pair of very dangerous 8s/10s, all in support of Vardy as our much-sharpest blade. 

 

Pool’s front three are …. maybe you haven’t noticed … a wee bit more balanced and interchangeable as threats than ours.  While their midfield creates relatively few assists or chances.  Because they are different talents doing an entirely different job.

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10 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

Perez and Barnes should think of themselves as more than "wingers" they are strikers and should look to get in goal scoring areas just like Vardy . As I have said before they should try to emulate the Salah, Firmino , Mané triple threat of Liverpool.

I'd rather Rodgers informs them what to do and whatvhes telling them right now seems to be working. 

Why change any aspect of their games right now ? Their roles right now fit perfect in our system so I'm not sure why you want to change things?

You say you have said it before? Please don't say it again.

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9 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

Perez and Barnes should think of themselves as more than "wingers" they are strikers and should look to get in goal scoring areas just like Vardy . As I have said before they should try to emulate the Salah, Firmino , Mané triple threat of Liverpool.

but they are...Both Dont Ride the wings,and change their Positioning regularly..often criss-crossing ,on the inside.

Like Maddison...their names have to be put somewhere on the Team sheet...alot of fans,still have traditional  ideals in their heads...

Like the L'pool trio named, our front 3 ,with Maddison go in and come from different positions & angles.Vardy Runs the center,but often ( since the title season)

runs the other channels...He would have had alot more assists, if Gray,Okazaki,etc had Converted chances he created.

Perez for me is becoming the Perfect foil for Vardy, some fans forget or miss the Work & assist to the assist he sets up...Unlike Shinji,he stays on his feet,and is more of a goal threat....  

Because we are flexible in our movement, Barnes,Perez,Maddison,also Tielemans,are always in the move,and vary the channels,they Run down.

 

BRodgers ,and made all our players a goal threat,Take the fact,that we have 2 fbs,that Take up WBack runs und positioning,attack the flanks with either Barnes or

Perez , (Gray when he comes on) or we see both of the latter,move in that Inside position.

If we carry on with this Type of frontfoot movement, Barnes will slowly ( as he gathers experience) up his goal Tally, as for Perez, Now hes got the goal in his sights,allowing he keeps fit, I See him,this season being the 2nd highest GS. Behind Vardy....If We Keep our Good form going I Don t hope,but I See Perez giving us that  Previous missing 12-15 goals range..

With Barnes & Maddison popping up with 8-11 goals each...

If we can start to get Ndidi  to find his range & popping in with a few more... We could well break our PL-GS record....

That said...I couldnt care if we only win majority of our games...1-0.  but to be honest,

since our promotion,IMO this is the First team,that has Guaranteed goals in it..!!

 

Yes I have that negative angel,that occasionally Pops up on all our  shoulders ( Its in our traditional DNA),

but I will Brush him off ,I want to Enjoy every moment,I believe we will Surprise ourselves (From fans side). and wont drop out of the Top 4...

We are going to have Another Great season,how great..?  Let us Enjoy this seasons-book Page by page...

With Perez having a major chapter just for himself.....!!

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4 hours ago, themightyfin said:

I'd rather Rodgers informs them what to do and whatvhes telling them right now seems to be working. 

Why change any aspect of their games right now ? Their roles right now fit perfect in our system so I'm not sure why you want to change things?

You say you have said it before? Please don't say it again.

I take your point but Rodgers supplies the game plan yes , but players are intuitive and are constantly reading each other and this is what the Liverpool trio do so well. Our three are showing signs of the same type of play and if they can nail that , our goal threat will increase way beyond Jamie . Tielmans and Maddison also have an eye for goal and if things come together all five of them should be in double figures this season although no doubt Vardy will be leading scorer.

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49 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

I take your point but Rodgers supplies the game plan yes , but players are intuitive and are constantly reading each other and this is what the Liverpool trio do so well. Our three are showing signs of the same type of play and if they can nail that , our goal threat will increase way beyond Jamie . Tielmans and Maddison also have an eye for goal and if things come together all five of them should be in double figures this season although no doubt Vardy will be leading scorer.

 

It isn’t as simple as having them interchangeable to share the goals around. Vardy playing as he does allows everyone else to do what they do. He creates so much space for the wide men and the attacking midfielders simply through his constant threat even when he’s not involved in the play. 

 

Regardless, we would score more overall playing the way we do rather than trying to get Barnes and Perez to chip in a couple extra. For every goal they score Vardy would be missing out on twice the amount of chances, not to mention being nullified by being out wide.

 

I understand where you’re coming from but it’s nowhere near as simple as you expect it to be. It would be to our detriment if we played the way you’re suggesting. Vardy is a very unique talent, that we’re lucky to have and to not utilise his full armoury to get Perez and Barnes a few extra goals would be criminal. He sets the tone for the team, constantly occupies 2 defenders and pins the opposition back as they generally have no choice but to play against him rather than make him change his game. 

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I like his speed, technical ability, awareness, but of all our first eleven players I think him and Barnes are the weakest links.

I'm not trying to make him the scapegoat of the day (SOTD), I though Chills, Madders, Youri were below par too, but when he came to the club I was expecting a bit more from him.

One thing that he should stop doing, is dribbling in our half when under pressure when there are teammates around. That's stupid and irresponsible, he's doing that every game and keeps losing the ball. Just play it to Wilf for Fuchssake, Ayoze !!!! :mad:

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8 minutes ago, Chester Dontlie said:

I like his speed, technical ability, awareness, but of all our first eleven players I think him and Barnes are the weakest links.

I'm not trying to make him the scapegoat of the day (SOTD), I though Chills, Madders, Youri were below par too, but when he came to the club I was expecting a bit more from him.

One thing that he should stop doing, is dribbling in our half when under pressure when there are teammates around. That's stupid and irresponsible, he's doing that every game and keeps losing the ball. Just play it to Wilf for Fuchssake, Ayoze !!!! :mad:

I think he's getting there , we have to be patient , we are totally different to Newcastle .Of course Rodgers gets his hook out to him usually and Gray and Ihaneacho have proved to be excellent impact sub's.

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Certainly got great counter attacking qualities/ instinct that probably suits our away matches. However, when we're at home, he still has work to do. He needs to strengthen up. Not get pushed off the ball, not fall down as often as he does. And be way more savvez when defending in or around our box. Heart attack material at times.

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14 hours ago, Mythyaar said:

Certainly got great counter attacking qualities/ instinct that probably suits our away matches. However, when we're at home, he still has work to do. He needs to strengthen up. Not get pushed off the ball, not fall down as often as he does. And be way more savvez when defending in or around our box. Heart attack material at times.

Yes, I personally think you're right to say all that. He's a very genuine hard working lad with a lot of technical ability. But at times, far too powder puff which, combined with his wayward passing causes us problems. We'll see if we regret his selection due to the latter against teams like Manchester City or Liverpool who are able to take  more clinical advantage. It's getting quite telling though that things vastly improve on that right side and more chances appear to occur when he goes off and Gray and now Iheanacho comes on.

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For 60 minutes he, Maddison and Tielemans were very ineffective. Thankfully we still salvaged the game but in this hectic run of games we can't afford for many of our attacking players to be way off the pace.

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14 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

For 60 minutes he, Maddison and Tielemans were very ineffective. Thankfully we still salvaged the game but in this hectic run of games we can't afford for many of our attacking players to be way off the pace.

I think you have to give credit to Everton's system for that, as they cancelled out all of those players. Perez to be fair got in between the lines a few times and probably should have scored. For me it was a bit frustrating that he went down too easily a few times and in one case instead of going down for a penalty, had he have hit it he could have worked the keeper at the very least.

 

Under Puel we 100% lose that game IMO. Rodgers was brave enough to switch to 352 and unleash the Nacho man, and those changes made all of Tielemans, Maddison and Vardy come alive. I expect Watford will do the exact same thing so it might be a case of deja vu on Wednesday. 

 

For me the biggest learning was that we have another option to go to if opponents play a 541 deep block. We had that Man United under Fergie look of scoring inevitably and was just a case of if we could do it in the time left or not. If that came had kept going we would have scored for sure such was our ascendancy. 

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8 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

I think you have to give credit to Everton's system for that, as they cancelled out all of those players. Perez to be fair got in between the lines a few times and probably should have scored. For me it was a bit frustrating that he went down too easily a few times and in one case instead of going down for a penalty, had he have hit it he could have worked the keeper at the very least.

 

Under Puel we 100% lose that game IMO. Rodgers was brave enough to switch to 352 and unleash the Nacho man, and those changes made all of Tielemans, Maddison and Vardy come alive. I expect Watford will do the exact same thing so it might be a case of deja vu on Wednesday. 

 

For me the biggest learning was that we have another option to go to if opponents play a 541 deep block. We had that Man United under Fergie look of scoring inevitably and was just a case of if we could do it in the time left or not. If that came had kept going we would have scored for sure such was our ascendancy. 

I'm still amazed how persistent and confident we are against teams that for 60-70 mins have frustrated us. Less than a year ago if we hadn't made a breakthrough fairly early on you never felt like we would manage to find a way through and yet 4 games on the spin now we have won games after an hour or more of being frustrated and we haven't just pinched them 1-0 either, we've scored twice in every one of these games. Amazing belief and tactical improvements on all the players part.

 

Perez is always going to be one of those players that is inconsistent, I accept that and I do think he is slowly becoming a very important player for us. I am glad we signed him, he fits in well. I was impressed more with Barnes yesterday, he was probably our best attacking player just a shame his hard work didn't result in a goal or assist again.

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4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I'm still amazed how persistent and confident we are against teams that for 60-70 mins have frustrated us. Less than a year ago if we hadn't made a breakthrough fairly early on you never felt like we would manage to find a way through and yet 4 games on the spin now we have won games after an hour or more of being frustrated and we haven't just pinched them 1-0 either, we've scored twice in every one of these games. Amazing belief and tactical improvements on all the players part.

 

Perez is always going to be one of those players that is inconsistent, I accept that and I do think he is slowly becoming a very important player for us. I am glad we signed him, he fits in well. I was impressed more with Barnes yesterday, he was probably our best attacking player just a shame his hard work didn't result in a goal or assist again.

Yeah totally agree. Out of rep points! The relentlessness we have shown and our second half record is truly admirable, especially for a team with so many young players.

 

The celebrations at the end tell you all you need to know about the feeling in the club. They think they can win the title! Most likely we will fall short, but games like that one yesterday are the ones that make you start to believe. The two games against Man City and Liverpool will be huge, but I remember in 2016 when we had to play Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal all in a row and we didn't do too badly then eh!?

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Is it a surprise that he didn’t play that well yesterday when his hair wasn’t at the races either? 

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4 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

he needs to stop falling over at a stiff breeze especially in our own half

Go on the count..Vardy spent also a few Moments on the floor....

Perez Spends less Time kissing dirt,than Shinji did. Plus his runs,driving forward,or Running back...has been more to the Advantage of the Team und negative.

Like other players,this forum have a dig at....many miss their more positive input,and concentrate and  only wait on errors...!!!

 

That doesn t mean,I am against Rodgers rotating,or making the odd change, by using the squad . Players like Gray/Praet/Chouhury/Albrighton and Now Nacho,should be given some starts... fans and the media,still Don t get it...!!  In a Good squad, players Don't get dropped the First 14-16,are Major gametime

Players... 

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2 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Almost every single week we improve as soon as Perez goes off. 

 

Is it tactical that we DELIBERATELY play a slightly weaker team from the off and lull the oppo into a false sense of security?

The 60 minute change up is definitely a tactic , switching Vardy's support strikers seems to unsettle defences to our benefit. We could start with Gray and bring Perez on in the 60th as well but the present tactic seems to be working at the moment.

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Simply isn’t good enough. Too weak and not quick enough. Offers no threat whatsoever. I would play Gray over Pérez every day of the week. 

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2 minutes ago, frany104 said:

Simply isn’t good enough. Too weak and not quick enough. Offers no threat whatsoever. I would play Gray over Pérez every day of the week. 

I didn’t think he was that... bad? 

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