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12 minutes ago, Wymeswold fox said:

31st October might be a literally frightening day, with this.

Analysis 

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18 hours ago, Rusko187 said:

Yeah, I get that. I voted to remain in the EU, but I'm just getting so fed up of living in some limbo like state over fears of how the economy reacts whilst it's already negatively impacting the economy in it's current state.

 

I work in construction wholesale, and you can see sales are on the decline in the industry due to fears over what might be. In my honest opinion, this whole taking "No Deal" off the table would only hinder our negotiations, the EU don't want a "No Deal" breakaway anymore then we don't want it, as it's just as damaging. So if this is a powerful negotiation tool, is it not worth to keep it on the table as our stick to threaten them for a better deal? Make no mistake, if it were up to the EU, they would parade us around Kings Landing, whipping our naked bodies all the while saying "Shame, Shame"... they would want to make an example of how bad it would be for other countries to leave the EU.

 

We take "No Deal" off the table, and can only see months and months of extensions and going round in circles rejecting the same deals..... but I'm no politician, which maybe reassuring for everyone to hear.

Good job it's not up to the EU. Also it's not possible to "take no deal off the table", the only way to do that is to make a deal or revoke Article 50.

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3 hours ago, Line-X said:

Remind me. How did your last attempt at "moderating" a leadership turn out? Perhaps you could ask Nick Clegg?

 

Are you seriously suggesting that a party riddled with innate anti-semitism, replete with entryist agenda, informed by ex-militants, tainted by Trotskyites and directed by the far left - with Momentum pulling the strings in No.10 and a Marxist ensconced next door at number 11, could in any way be "moderated" by the Liberal Democrats? 

Labour is far from a healthy state but this is a kool-aid fuelled rant if I've ever seen one.  Since you have concerns about extremist politics it's worth remembering the tories are only in power because they bribed an actual extremist party for support.

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25 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Labour is far from a healthy state but this is a kool-aid fuelled rant if I've ever seen one.  Since you have concerns about extremist politics it's worth remembering the tories are only in power because they bribed an actual extremist party for support.

I have no time for either - and moreover, I am equally as dismissive of the Tory party and this current sham of a government. But I was discussing Labour, which is antisemitic to the core, irrefutably steered by the damaging agendas associated entryism (as are the tories), Corbyn was involved in the militant tendency whilst McDonnell is a self-proclaimed Marxist. Together with Jeremy Corbyn himself, Seumas Milne, Karie Murphy and Len McCluskey are the chief architects of this madhouse and must be held to account for the strategic direction Labour has taken which like the Tories is a party that is not currently fit to govern. There are two main forces that ideologically steer the Labour leadership - the SWP and Momentum. What precisely are you disagreeing with?

 

Regarding Trotskyites - I concede that this term is batted about both incorrectly and irresponsibly by the press and that Trotskyite influence is far less propitious than its peak in the 1960s or resurgence in the 80s. Collectively the AWL, Socialist Action, Socialist Fight and Workers Power bring the combined forces of organised Trotskyism within the Labour Party to approximately 500. Compare this figure with Labour’s total membership of around half a million and it is clear that Trotskyist extremists comprise a small but I would contend nonetheless, dangerous faction which should have no place, however negligible, in informing contemporary political dialogue.  

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1 hour ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

Watching QT now, idea of Emily thornberry having any form of power scares the life out of me 

Emily Thornberry is just as lightweight as a politician as she is overweight as a person.

 

When pressed by Fiona Bruce about supporting JC supporting a GE, she fudged, fidgeted and failed to provide an intelligible response. 

 

She knew Corbyn doesn't want an election because they'll be ass-wiped by the public.

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On 05/09/2019 at 11:53, Will1981 said:

What a load of utter crap.

 

we joined the EU in 1975 and have been screwed and bullied by Europe for 44 years.

 

we were finally given a chance to vote on if we wanted to remain in Europe and the country voted to leave by a huge majority.

 

so if we leave this year and stay out for 44 years you can then call it 1-1 and we can have another referendum in 2063.

 

On 05/09/2019 at 12:27, Footballwipe said:

Absolutely buzzing to see this list. Please tell me, I'm so, so desperate to know. I mean after all, someone making such a claim would have evidence, a list, links and information to back up said statement?

 

I'll keep an eye out for it :)

 

On 06/09/2019 at 07:42, Footballwipe said:

 

 

Hi there @Will1981, I'm still mad keen to see this list and evidence to back up your claim about Europe "bullying" and "screwing" us. I'm sure you're working on it, so happy to wait. Let me know when it's ready :)

Hey again @Will1981, any updates on this list? I'm starting to think that you might not have any examples to back up your very strong statement about "bullying" and "screwing" from the EU. I know you wouldn't do that, who says such things, it only makes them seem hysterical and uneducated. But not you, I've got faith in you :). Let me know when it's ready.

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4 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

 

Hey again @Will1981, any updates on this list? I'm starting to think that you might not have any examples to back up your very strong statement about "bullying" and "screwing" from the EU. I know you wouldn't do that, who says such things, it only makes them seem hysterical and uneducated. But not you, I've got faith in you :). Let me know when it's ready.

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2 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

I honestly wish John Bercow was the Prime Minister.

He’s my local MP.

I knows he’s got a rep as being a bit of a cvnt and a bully but I love his mastery of the English language and how he doesn’t take any shit.

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11 minutes ago, Izzy said:

He’s my local MP.

I knows he’s got a rep as being a bit of a cvnt and a bully but I love his mastery of the English language and how he doesn’t take any shit.

Did you see him telling Gove off the other day lol

 

 

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34 minutes ago, Izzy said:

He’s my local MP.

I knows he’s got a rep as being a bit of a cvnt and a bully but I love his mastery of the English language and how he doesn’t take any shit.

As a Teacher, he is like a super hero to me lol

 

Dealing with a class of 30 is difficult enough, let alone a class of hundreds of badly behaved MPs. And his put downs are top notch.

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2 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

 

 

Hey again @Will1981, any updates on this list? I'm starting to think that you might not have any examples to back up your very strong statement about "bullying" and "screwing" from the EU. I know you wouldn't do that, who says such things, it only makes them seem hysterical and uneducated. But not you, I've got faith in you :). Let me know when it's ready.

Sorry I have taken a while to reply to this as I have been busy with work etc, I can agree that the words "bullying" and "screwing" may have been a little OTT but I was replying to a post with was equally OTT about it being 1-1.

 

Anyway I have made a list with a few of the issues I have with the EU:

 

1. Free movement of labour law

Immigration was largely cited as a reason for people voting Brexit. As a member of the EU, the Government does not have control over the number or type of EU migrants who come to the UK seeking work. Leaders of the Leave campaign said they will introduce an Australian-style points system, where all migrants would be subject to the same rules, and could be selectively refused entry.

"This EU law affects UK citizens in low payed, unskilled and manual work greatly as from my experience UK employers will run their workers into the ground as there is a limitless line of immigrant workers to replace them with, it also gives our Trade Union's a much harder time when negotiating pay rises working conditions etc"


2. Child benefit for migrant workers law

Currently, EU citizens working in the UK can claim child benefit, even if their children are not living in the UK. This law could be scrapped as part of any changes to immigration.

"pretty sure everyone agrees this law is wrong"


3. Fisheries policy

The Common Fisheries Policy gives European fishing fleets equal access to the waters of all EU states within 12 nautical miles of the coast. Quotas are imposed to preserve fish stocks – which Boris Johnson has previously described as ‘crazy’. The Leave campaign promised that Brexit would help fishers ‘take back control’ of Britain’s fishing waters and fish stocks.

"surely the benefits of being an island nation is that we should be able to take advantage of one of our biggest national resources"


4. VAT on energy bills law

EU law says that the standard VAT rate must be at least 15 per cent. The reduced rate, which only applies to certain specified goods and services, must be at least 5 per cent. Governments aren’t given the freedom to decide that there should be no VAT on chosen items – this caused the argument on ‘tampon tax’, which was eventually scrapped. Outside the EU, the Government could make gas and electricity bills VAT-free. This move would be socially progressive, as the people most affected would be those on the lowest incomes. However, green activists could object, saying that it wouldn’t be green, as it may encourage people to use more electricity.

"the average UK dual fuel energy bill is £1254 per year with VAT at 20%, so if VAT on energy bills was reduced to 0% the average household would save £251 per year"


5. Climate change directive

The Open Europe think tank see the renewables directive as the most expensive piece of legislation imposed by Brussels. It sets targets for tackling climate change, such as achieving a 20 per cent share of energy from renewable sources by 2020. The cost required to achieve these targets is reputedly £4.7bn a year, and with Brexit campaigners tending to be sceptical about climate change, scrapping this directive could be seen as a useful way to save money – although green activists would disagree.

"while this is a good policy for the environment it is not for our energy bills and our impact will be tiny while hugh countries like the US and China ignore these issues"


6. Bananas regime

The European Commission drew up a ‘banana import regime’ which set out what constitutes a standard quality banana. Misshapen bananas weren’t banned under the rule – but they were categorised as sub-standard. Well, at least we can take back control over what makes a banana aesthetically pleasing.

"this law is causing thousands of tonnes of perfectly usable fruit and veg to be plowed back into the earth rather than be eaten"


7. The common fisheries policy. 

It mandated that if fish of the wrong species were caught accidentally, the dead fish had to be thrown overboard, and the fishermen carried on killing more fish, until they reached the “right” quotas of the “right” species.

"bizarre and wasteful law"


8. Water does NOT prevent dehydration 

If you've been on a mighty old work out or you're struggling with a sore heard from a heavy night out, drinking water will NOT ease your pain.

Well, that's according to the EU. 

In 2011 they passed a law, which claimed scientists had found no evidence to suggest drinking water stopped dehydration.

This meant manufacturers of bottled drinking water were prohibited from labelling their product with anything that would suggest consumption would fight dehydration. 

"another bizarre law"


9. Prunes will NOT fight your bowel problems

Meddling legislators made it illegal for prunes to be sold as a super food that acts as a laxative. 

And after a thorough investigation, the EU ruled: "The evidence provided is insufficient to establish a cause and effect relationship between the consumption of dried plums of 'prune' cultivars and maintenance of normal bowel function" 

But anyone who has ever taken part in a 'who can eat the most prunes' competition would surely disagree with this.

"bizarre law"


10. Turnips are NOT swede

In 2010 the EU decided to make sure one and all knew the difference between a turnip and a swede. 

Now supermarkets are encouraged to avoid confusion when labelling both vegetables. 

And this is because locals in Cornwall often refer to their swedes as turnips.

"bizarre law"


11. Eggs CANNOT be sold by the dozen

Fury erupted when shopkeepers were told all food must be weighed and sold by the kilo - instead of the number contained in the packet back in 2010. 

And even though British shoppers can still buy a dozen of eggs, it is now priced based wholly on the weight.

"as if EU law makers are just trying to justify their wages"


12. The Cost of Being in the EU.

"we just do not get our monies worth"


13. EU Parliament cost

"costs about £2m per menmber of the the EU paliamnet per year".

 

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6 minutes ago, Will1981 said:


5. Climate change directive

The Open Europe think tank see the renewables directive as the most expensive piece of legislation imposed by Brussels. It sets targets for tackling climate change, such as achieving a 20 per cent share of energy from renewable sources by 2020. The cost required to achieve these targets is reputedly £4.7bn a year, and with Brexit campaigners tending to be sceptical about climate change, scrapping this directive could be seen as a useful way to save money – although green activists would disagree.

"while this is a good policy for the environment it is not for our energy bills and our impact will be tiny while hugh countries like the US and China ignore these issues"

 

 

Good to see a comprehensive response, but I'm going to zero in on this one:

 

Is the idea (not even the fact) that the US and China are "ignoring" climate change really an excuse for a Brexit-oriented UK to do likewise in ignoring this EU directive, engage in a race to the bottom and thus share in the blame when the consequences of this ignorance become very apparent?

 

While there are many arguments for Brexit as quoted, this particular one is particularly fallacious and will do the UK only harm in the long term.

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Evidence of foreign collusion.  This has got a lot more to run.  I now wouldn't rule out Royal Assent being denied.image.thumb.png.dca1333e73973aa1924b7262ddf384d1.png

 

 

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9 minutes ago, SheppyFox said:

The EU isn’t working, why anyone wants to remain is beyond me.

In what sense is it not working?

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2 minutes ago, BlueSi13 said:

Evidence of foreign collusion.  This has got a lot more to run.  I now wouldn't rule out Royal Assent being denied.image.thumb.png.dca1333e73973aa1924b7262ddf384d1.png

 

 

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As opposed to the referendum itself which definitely wasn't affected by foreign intervention :whistle:

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2 minutes ago, BlueSi13 said:

Evidence of foreign collusion.  This has got a lot more to run.  I now wouldn't rule out Royal Assent being denied.image.thumb.png.dca1333e73973aa1924b7262ddf384d1.png

 

 

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I'm not sure the Leave side can really claim any kind of moral superiority when it comes to foreign collusion to achieve an end, tbh.

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3 hours ago, Charl91 said:

I honestly wish John Bercow was the Prime Minister.

He will surely be remembered as the most entertaining Speaker in Parliamentary history.

 

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12 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I'm not sure the Leave side can really claim any kind of moral superiority when it comes to foreign collusion to achieve an end, tbh.

This is true. The Kremlin were constantly pestering me before I voted.

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39 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I'm not sure the Leave side can really claim any kind of moral superiority when it comes to foreign collusion to achieve an end, tbh.

Because Russians? :clap:Let's not mention the George Soros funded remain campaign then.

 

Monday could be epic.  This new information coupled with the fact that Phillip Hammond had already let slip that he consulted with EU lawyers prior to the surrender bill makes it clear to those on the leave side that this is a genuine attempt to delay and eventually overturn the referendum.

 

Latest polls suggest the PM may feel encouraged to deny Royal Assent, especially if the opposition continues to run from a GE.

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