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2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

No way will he resign.  Corbyn needs to call a vote of no confidence to trigger a general election.


He would need to have the worst team of advisers known to man to trigger a general election pre 31 Oct.  A lot of the shit he comes out with makes me think they’re not far off, but on this I’m pretty sure with pressure from the other parties he’ll avoid the temptation.

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1 minute ago, danfox76 said:

Boris is actually trying to carry out the will of the people and follow though on the democratic vote.. which was to Brexit.. if he's right or wrong on how he does it is another matter.. anyone who's fighting Brexit is fighting against democracy, and the will of the people.

Ah, that old chestnut.

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Just now, RoboFox said:

Ah, that old chestnut.

Its a tired old phrase isn't it.

 

Who knows if the will of the people is actually still the same after all these antics? A lot has happened in these 3 years.

 

I suspect it will still be a majority for Brexit though, there are just far too many stubborn old people set in their ways that are willing to go out and vote.

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5 minutes ago, Dames said:

This is the general opinion amongst the Brexiteers and it only strengthens that opinion, they are desperate to achieve Brexit by any means at this point, lawfully or unlawfully.

 

Even so this is unprecedented and by making the Queen an unwilling accomplice to an unlawful act must have consequences, Johnson can't go into hiding over this to avoid scrutiny. He has to resign as his position is untenable and he best hope he hasn't upset the Queen too much otherwise losing his dream job might not be the worst of his problems.

its the Trump effect.  facts go out of the window when you're dealing with rhetoric and hyperbole.

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Izzy said:

Interesting that top of the list of new retailers opening on the High Street are take away outlets.

 

People might be going out less but they're spending more on Supermarket alcohol and in home entertainment.

 

Shoppers habits and the way we spend our money is changing, regardless of Brexit or who's running the country.

That's because you can go online, order your food and they bring it to your house, but they still need a place to cook it all.

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Just now, danfox76 said:

explain?

 

The nation voted Brexit.

The nation didn't specify which type of Brexit it voted for. Especially with the Leave campaign plugging the line 'It will be the easiest deal to make ever' and so on.

 

There will be a percentage in the leavers that would prefer remain to no deal that is 100% fact, would it be enough to swing it back to remain? who knows. Lets find out.

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33 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

As someone who just kind of follows the general goings on with this mess, what happens now?

Normally, the queen chops Boris's head off 

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2 minutes ago, danfox76 said:

explain?

 

The nation voted Brexit.

It's a stock phrase. 

 

A meaningless platitude that really now has become completely redundant.

 

If you want an explanation as to why, go back and read the last 56 pages of the thread.

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11 minutes ago, Benji said:


He would need to have the worst team of advisers known to man to trigger a general election pre 31 Oct.  A lot of the shit he comes out with makes me think they’re not far off, but on this I’m pretty sure with pressure from the other parties he’ll avoid the temptation.

 

I'm sure Farage would love a pre-Brexit election. Though what the outcome would be is anyone's guess in the context of this mayhem.

 

Even if an election were called immediately, they'd struggle to stage it before Halloween so Johnson (or any successor) would presumably still face the instruction to request an extension unless a deal has been agreed by the time of the EU Council meeting (19th Oct?). So, if Boris were still PM, he'd have to either face an election having requested an extension (cue Farage rubbing his hands with glee) - or would have to defy the law again. Odds on Boris in Pentonville by Halloween?!? :blink:

 

Plus, under the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, if the Govt loses a confidence vote, there is a 14-day period during which parliament sees if another govt CAN command confidence.....could be anyone from Jeremy Hunt to Jeremy Corbyn via Ken Clarke, in theory. That 14-day period alone would prevent there being an election before Halloween, wouldn't it, as there's a minimum of 4-5 weeks between an election being called and happening?

 

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It will be a travesty if Brexit is successfully overturned by a combination of The EU and EC blocking it at every turn, the British political establishment resisting and sore losers agitating.  Shame on you.

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6 minutes ago, Dames said:

The nation didn't specify which type of Brexit it voted for. Especially with the Leave campaign plugging the line 'It will be the easiest deal to make ever' and so on.

 

There will be a percentage in the leavers that would prefer remain to no deal that is 100% fact, would it be enough to swing it back to remain? who knows. Lets find out.

no your right.. it was very simple leave or stay.. we voted leave.

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2 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

It will be a travesty if Brexit is successfully overturned by a combination of The EU and EC blocking it at every turn, the British political establishment resisting and sore losers agitating.  Shame on you.

 

Thats democracy mate. Leave or Remain.

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2 minutes ago, danfox76 said:

no your right.. it was very simple leave or stay.. we voted leave.

I run out of energy to argue with them anymore.  If the 17.4M who won the vote don't matter enough for Brexit to be delivered I just despair.  

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wow... looks like i stood in a bucket full of Remainers in this thread.. all your arguments are void until the Brexit vote is upheld.. does not matter how you try and twist it.

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5 minutes ago, danfox76 said:

its not a phrase its truth.. there was a vote.. there was a result.. that result has not been delivered.. until the result is delivered democracy is out the window.. whats the point in voting on anything if the result isn't delivered? the only people who benefit from this whole thing is remainers.. who will happily see democracy go out the window as long as they get their way.

When does anything you ever vote for ever get delivered!? lol

 

I voted for Free tuition fees from the Lib Dems a few years ago - still waiting for that to be delivered as well.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

I run out of energy to argue with them anymore.  If the 17.4M who won the vote don't matter enough for Brexit to be delivered I just despair.  

 

Their votes don't count?

 

Results of the 1975 United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum
  Votes %
Yes 17,378,581 67.23%
No 8,470,073 32.77%
Valid votes 25,848,654 99.79%
Invalid or blank votes 54,540 0.21%

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1 minute ago, Steven said:

PM frustrated parliament. He lied to the people. He lied to Parliament. He lied to the Queen. Supreme Court found he broke the law. He's not fit to be Prime Minister! Disgraceful!

This is Brexit fella - Lying is fine so long as we gtfo of the EU. 

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Just now, Steven said:

 

Their votes don't count?

 

Results of the 1975 United Kingdom European Communities membership referendum
  Votes %
Yes 17,378,581 67.23%
No 8,470,073 32.77%
Valid votes 25,848,654 99.79%
Invalid or blank votes 54,540 0.21%

Really?  That is your argument?  How many treaty changes from what they voted for then and what we are being blocked from leaving now?

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2 minutes ago, String fellow said:

Maybe the supreme court should consider the legality of parliament trying to stop Brexit! 

This ^^ we left back in march

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1 minute ago, Tommo220 said:

When does anything you ever vote for ever get delivered!? lol

 

I voted for Free tuition fees from the Lib Dems a few years ago - still waiting for that to be delivered as well.

 

 

Do you understand the difference between a single issue referendum and a general election?  If not, do please go and do some reading before you comment :)

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