That_Dude 1,898 Posted 15 September 2019 Report Share Posted 15 September 2019 15 hours ago, st albans fox said: hindsight is a wonderful thing ..... we played a similar game at Stamford Bridge and it worked out ..... It worked out because Lampard played his team of newbies too high and fell into our hands. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brucey 5,111 Posted 15 September 2019 Report Share Posted 15 September 2019 Puel tried to play Rodgersball against the weak teams and failed where Rodgers subsequently succeeded. Rodgers tried to play Puelball against the strong teams and failed where Puel previously succeeded. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Countryfox 8,459 Posted 15 September 2019 Report Share Posted 15 September 2019 Apparently Gray shone in training and so was given a chance ... the fact he didn’t take it and did sod all speaks volumes to me ... Daniel James is exactly the type of player we need ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Oxfordfox83 1,008 Posted 16 September 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted 16 September 2019 On 15/09/2019 at 12:53, Manwell Pablo said: Well no it’s not, in fact I think the selling short of team that’s clearly weaker than it was under a Sir Alex but has only finished outside the top six once in the immediate aftermath of him leaving and has still managed to keep a reasonable influx of trophies as “slightly above average” is symptomatic of someone who thinks we are much better than we actually are. The performance could of certainly of been better and it wasn’t exactly my ideal starting line up either, I’m not a fan of the holding double act but plenty of successful teams have done it. That said we restricted them quite well, created a couple of opportunities which we didn’t take which you have to if your going to play the way we did, and we’re in the game from start to finish. Plus after five games having played two of the traditional top six away from home we sit nicely in the mix around the European places. So it’s pretty hard to go after the manager after one defeat at Old Trafford. It’s actually really easy, because after five games we have started with the wrong formation four times. We squeaked a point at Wolves because the handball law/VAR combo disallowed a goal that would have stood in any other season in football history, we edged Sheff Utd by one late spectacular goal, and who knows what would have happened at Bournemouth if Tielemans has gone, as many refs say he should have. We have played the two weakest top 6 sides and taken 1 point. That in itself is not necessarily the issue-the issue is that we played the wrong players in the wrong positions and are for long periods are failing to create. Brendan deserves an increasing amount of criticism for his stubbornness, and if he gets it wrong again against Spurs then he will be rightly under pressure. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Manwell Pablo 5,486 Posted 16 September 2019 Report Share Posted 16 September 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Oxfordfox83 said: It’s actually really easy, because after five games we have started with the wrong formation four times. We squeaked a point at Wolves because the handball law/VAR combo disallowed a goal that would have stood in any other season in football history, we edged Sheff Utd by one late spectacular goal, and who knows what would have happened at Bournemouth if Tielemans has gone, as many refs say he should have. We have played the two weakest top 6 sides and taken 1 point. That in itself is not necessarily the issue-the issue is that we played the wrong players in the wrong positions and are for long periods are failing to create. Brendan deserves an increasing amount of criticism for his stubbornness, and if he gets it wrong again against Spurs then he will be rightly under pressure. Probably the most pessimistic way of looking at the season so far imaginable, We are going to edge a lot of games this season, that’s not a bad thing as it’s a competitive decision, and yeah I guess if every possible decision that could of gone against us did we probably might have a few points less (although you can equally argue Saturdays penalty was soft) but if that’s the way you want to look at things fair enough. You are in Cloud Cuckoo land if you think he will be under any pressure surrounding his job any time soon though, it’s a results based business and he’s getting them at the moment. Edited 16 September 2019 by Manwell Pablo 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oxfordfox83 1,008 Posted 17 September 2019 Report Share Posted 17 September 2019 11 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said: Probably the most pessimistic way of looking at the season so far imaginable, We are going to edge a lot of games this season, that’s not a bad thing as it’s a competitive decision, and yeah I guess if every possible decision that could of gone against us did we probably might have a few points less (although you can equally argue Saturdays penalty was soft) but if that’s the way you want to look at things fair enough. You are in Cloud Cuckoo land if you think he will be under any pressure surrounding his job any time soon though, it’s a results based business and he’s getting them at the moment. It’s not being pessimistic, I’m not saying we *should* have lost, but we were very fine margins away from dropping points in every game. And that’s only to observe that the wrong formation is not getting us results, it’s just not costing us as badly as it might. Best scenario is Rodgers gets a substantial bang on the head and wakes up with this narrow 4231 completely effaced from his memory, and we can start playing the game to suit the players we have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dan LCFC 11,903 Posted 17 September 2019 Report Share Posted 17 September 2019 OTT and far too early to say he's under pressure, but the essence of the post was fair. We've not actually been that good yet have we? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Swiss_tony 163 Posted 17 September 2019 Report Share Posted 17 September 2019 I always say you've got to have 10 games in a season to really judge. If you'd viewed Claudio after the 5-2 loss v the gooners, you might've said he's under pressure. But he integrated kante correclty, and plugged the gaps that lead to all those goals and the rest is history. We didn't walk the league from game one, we were well dodgy defensively into Sep that year, we scored loads but let loads in. Rogers deserves at least the same. Unless we are in danger from relegation he should be given time to build his team incrementally. There's far too much 'instant success' nonsense spouted these days. A three year plan is still a good plan in the modern era. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
st albans fox 8,475 Posted 18 September 2019 Report Share Posted 18 September 2019 18 hours ago, Swiss_tony said: I always say you've got to have 10 games in a season to really judge. If you'd viewed Claudio after the 5-2 loss v the gooners, you might've said he's under pressure. But he integrated kante correclty, and plugged the gaps that lead to all those goals and the rest is history. We didn't walk the league from game one, we were well dodgy defensively into Sep that year, we scored loads but let loads in. Rogers deserves at least the same. Unless we are in danger from relegation he should be given time to build his team incrementally. There's far too much 'instant success' nonsense spouted these days. A three year plan is still a good plan in the modern era. and the following season he made changes to take account of ngolo not being here. we will have to wait a few more weeks before we can judge if Brendan is making a similar error re Maguire's departure ……. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Corky 13,650 Posted 18 September 2019 Report Share Posted 18 September 2019 This season is building up to be a let-down, rightly or wrongly. I can certainly see him being under pressure in the New Year. Maybe it's pessimism or just feeling we're stuck on a loop of getting fed up of managers after a while. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sacreblueits442 1,190 Posted 19 September 2019 Report Share Posted 19 September 2019 2 hours ago, Corky said: This season is building up to be a let-down, rightly or wrongly. I can certainly see him being under pressure in the New Year. Maybe it's pessimism or just feeling we're stuck on a loop of getting fed up of managers after a while. .. fed up of them trying to impose, on us, once again, a system we cannot execute!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
adam95581 399 Posted 19 September 2019 Report Share Posted 19 September 2019 On 15/09/2019 at 16:29, Countryfox said: Apparently Gray shone in training and so was given a chance ... the fact he didn’t take it and did sod all speaks volumes to me ... Daniel James is exactly the type of player we need ... Daniel James = Harvey Barnes 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Manini 3,721 Posted 21 September 2019 Report Share Posted 21 September 2019 On 18/09/2019 at 22:16, Corky said: Maybe it's pessimism or just feeling we're stuck on a loop of getting fed up of managers after a while. It’s a never ending cycle mate, I said it before Puel went, and could see what is currently starting to unfold happening to Rodgers. I can’t put my finger on what it is across the board - is it the players? Is it our fans being unbelievable thick as a result of expectations that aren’t there? Is it justified? Is he just a bit Shit? I know which one it is for me but don’t know if that’s an opinion shared amongst others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ARTY_FOX 1,619 Posted 21 September 2019 Report Share Posted 21 September 2019 1 hour ago, Manini said: It’s a never ending cycle mate, I said it before Puel went, and could see what is currently starting to unfold happening to Rodgers. I can’t put my finger on what it is across the board - is it the players? Is it our fans being unbelievable thick as a result of expectations that aren’t there? Is it justified? Is he just a bit Shit? I know which one it is for me but don’t know if that’s an opinion shared amongst others. I'd say it's more out of frustration, at the moment atleast, we know our best team and system yet we persist on playing with 2 dm's and our most creative player being put wide left and nullifuing him ourselves by placing him there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sacreblueits442 1,190 Posted 21 September 2019 Report Share Posted 21 September 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Manini said: It’s a never ending cycle mate, I said it before Puel went, and could see what is currently starting to unfold happening to Rodgers. I can’t put my finger on what it is across the board - is it the players? Is it our fans being unbelievable thick as a result of expectations that aren’t there? Is it justified? Is he just a bit Shit? I know which one it is for me but don’t know if that’s an opinion shared amongst others. ...the reason why we have this negative vibe is the fact we are playing players out of position!!! Ranieri did it, as with Puel and now Brendan has an idea how he wants us to play but we do not have the players to carry it out. It is clear we are a high tempo expansive team which likes to press but the aforementioned managers do not see this and are intent on putting their stamp on a team. Ranieri decision to not change the way we play when he first arrived by playing to what was our obvious strength is a case in point. We are what we are....if a manager can adapt his ideas and flexibility then he can have a successful career. The managers like Pep can play the same as he want as they can buy anyone to fit the way he wants to play. Edited 21 September 2019 by sacreblueits442 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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