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On 25/09/2019 at 09:25, Spudulike said:

I'm now more content to believe that it will even itself out over a season using VAR. Although 'evening itself out' was often used pre VAR it was difficult to believe given that it was clear that certain clubs usually got tight calls in their favour eg. Those plying in red at Old Trafford or Anfield.

Do you really believe that had the Man U penalty decision been at the other end a penalty would have been awarded to us. 

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Not sure what the fuss is about. A human ref could have raised the flag or not. It was that close. It could have gone either way with a human ref, but at least VAR would be consistent.

 

The real issue is whether having VAR constantly stops the flow of the game too much and cuts into the enjoyment of the game or the controversies which are often of themselves part of football.

 

For example, if VAR existed when the Hand of God was used, there would not have been the years of talk afterwards. The drama, documentaries, news articles, etc ... all gone ...

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2 hours ago, Robo61 said:

Do you really believe that had the Man U penalty decision been at the other end a penalty would have been awarded to us. 

That's my point. Most likely not (we'll never know) but those type of decisions won't be overturned by the current flavour of VAR (not clear and obvious, therefore referee call). Future improvements might change that but at least offside and handball assisted goal decisions are consistent to all teams whoever they are. And that is more likely to even itself out over the season with VAR. 

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1 hour ago, Tom12345 said:

Not sure what the fuss is about. A human ref could have raised the flag or not. It was that close. It could have gone either way with a human ref, but at least VAR would be consistent.

 

The real issue is whether having VAR constantly stops the flow of the game too much and cuts into the enjoyment of the game or the controversies which are often of themselves part of football.

 

For example, if VAR existed when the Hand of God was used, there would not have been the years of talk afterwards. The drama, documentaries, news articles, etc ... all gone ...

We could have just enjoyed drama, documentaries, news articles about England winning the World Cup instead ;)

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On 21/09/2019 at 20:43, Finnegan said:

 

What baffles me most is the enormous, sheer, gargantuan volume of people that think a goal should stand if its only a cm or an inch or whatever offside. 

 

No. 

 

Offside is offside, it doesn't matter what the margin is, there has to be a cut off somewhere. The law got changed from daylight years ago. 

And you’d still have to measure how much is too much daylight…!!!. Either way you need parameters, Irrespective of whether technology is involved…

 

If you apply specific parameters, in this case any part of the body which can score a goal being ahead of the defender, then by its very nature some calls are going to be more marginal than others…. The red line was marginally ahead of the blue, so, it’s offside…

 

Arguing the point over logic is the definition of casuistry… 

 

You have no entitlement to say its wrong…. You are fully entitled to feel a little miffed! 

 

 

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12 hours ago, bennytwohats said:

You realise that’s no different to saying everyone is assessed with the guy on the sideline waving a flag so it’s consistent?

You realise that relying on instant decisions by a linesman expected to look at two things at the same time will get you less consistency in decision making than VAR? 

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7 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

Or drama, documentaries news articles about his second goal

That 2nd goal was only possible because our players switched off, in shock, after the unfairness of the first goal. He didn't dribble pst competent footballers but shell-shocked zombies.

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16 minutes ago, deep blue said:

That 2nd goal was only possible because our players switched off, in shock, after the unfairness of the first goal. He didn't dribble pst competent footballers but shell-shocked zombies.

Sorry, but I think you’re giving a bit disservice to that 2nd goal. As I remember it, he had about 4 players trying to challenge for the ball and he skipped by them all. 

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The stupid thing about the Hand of God goal was after the match there was no retrospective action for the cheating. More closer to home for city fans would be Erland Johnson and his dive. the ref Mike Reed got slaughtered for it yet the cheat got away with it with the ref getting all the blame

 

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