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11 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

More than linked - Man City’s board and Pep were ready to sign and bid. Then in Mid May they decided not to as they couldn’t shift Mendy or Zinchenko

I would swap for zinchenko all day long,

and pay a fee

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56 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

Like you, I'm  not a fan of people getting on the back of younger pros. And you're right in saying we've seen worse, or at very least equally substandard performances. I'd also maintain that Chilwell could become a top left back, though he has a lot of work still to do.

 

However, this isn't really a case of form fluctuating. He has been consistently poor of late, and there's a fair argument that he's been the weak link more often than not this campaign. If we want to finish top four that needs addressing either by the player or the guy who picks the team.

 

His display was so utterly awful yesterday that it had a huge impact on our game as a whole: Attack upon attack grinding to a halt, or turning into attacks for the opposition. Failing to track his man, failing to close down, failing to pick out simple ten yard passes... I honestly don't think you could say anything positive about him. And I'm struggling over the past few matches too. A team playing well can carry a man or two who are below par - but a performance as poor as that will impact negatively on everyone.

 

That's not to say that we'd have won the game or put in an admirable display in his absence because there are others in poor form, and it's clear that sides are wising up to our build-up play. But it's fair enough for people to be very critical of that performance. And if the criticism is a problem, the obvious solution is to look at alternatives until Chilwell can re-establish himself on merit.

Young players shouldn't be exempt from criticism and I have no problem reading constructive measured posts like this. Just hate to see reactionary and sensationalist criticism with players who need time to grow as players.

 

I simply don't agree with you that he has been consistently poor of late. He's been a mainstay in a side with once of the best defensive records in the league and that sits in 2nd above man city and is a game away from Wembley.

 

I am sure if you added up and worked out his average foxestalk match ratings for the season they would be far from poor. But seeing as neither of us can be bothered to do this according to whoscored's stats based ratings (not perfefect I know but the best we have). He averages 7.02 a game and has our 5th best average rating.

 

I would say he's had about 5 poor games this season 6 indifferent games and 10 good performances which out of 21 which falls well within my fluctuating form theory.  I know he was poor yesterday and along with the rest of the team against Man city and Liverpool but he's an outstanding young full back who will be back flying again soon.

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.....i am sure he will be greatly improved as a left side player when he learns to use his other foot. If he doesn't then I would question his future at this level.  

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No one is exempt from criticism, so there were a few ironic cheer when he completed a pass, I wasn’t part of them but I heard them. However, if I worked for a company that relied on sales, and my sales tactic was losing sales and losing the company money I would require intervention to address my issues and improve. 
 

If the feedback was constantly you’re a talented young sales advisor well done keep it up, all of the time I would probably continue to lose sales and money, and have a detrimental effect on the operation of the company. If a customer was to say to me your sales tactic is poor, you need to work on it because your mistakes are starting to have a negative impact on the company, it may make me wake up and re-think what I’m doing.

 

If I was Ben, and I heard those jeers, at the next training session work my ass off on trying to correct the mistakes, and go out into the next game to prove them all wrong. It’s a cruel game sometimes that can chew you up and spit you out if you don’t pin your shoulders back and stick your chest out. 
 

The greatest of players have had periods of poor form, and he isn’t alone... Barnes, Tielemans and Gray is often guilty of it. Brendan is responsible for offering words of advice and picking them up, but the lads have got to and figure things out for themselves, take Kalechi for an example, it appeared that his time with us was over, yet he has fought his way back scoring goals and looking like a player reborn. We will come good again, and the players will pick themselves up, maybe a few new faces will help lift the dressing room but for now we have a week to look at what has been going wrong and work on what we’re good at.

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10 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

Not to protect their precious confidence, or little baby heads, but simply because I think its counter productive to boo your own team.

 

Why do you think it's counter productive?

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As much as I do like Chilwell, sadly, he has many flaws that will stop him from becoming one of the very best left backs in the world. He's almost a half - half in terms of a full back, neither exceptional at either defending nor attacking but not weak at either too. Until he improves on his right foot, can beat a man in a one on one situation and adds a nasty streak to his game then he will always be found wanting. 

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3 hours ago, Filbert_Ross said:

Heard ironic cheers in the FIRST HALF when he completed a pass. 
unbelievable.  
 

That'll help the lad get his confidence up. 

He was shit when we was winning but got away with it because we won,

not anymore he’s not

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36 minutes ago, Father Ted said:

As much as I do like Chilwell, sadly, he has many flaws that will stop him from becoming one of the very best left backs in the world. He's almost a half - half in terms of a full back, neither exceptional at either defending nor attacking but not weak at either too. Until he improves on his right foot, can beat a man in a one on one situation and adds a nasty streak to his game then he will always be found wanting. 

I like him as a player and think he's a bright future ahead of him. He's terrifically cowardly though. 

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4 hours ago, The whole world smiles said:

Young players shouldn't be exempt from criticism and I have no problem reading constructive measured posts like this. Just hate to see reactionary and sensationalist criticism with players who need time to grow as players.

 

I simply don't agree with you that he has been consistently poor of late. He's been a mainstay in a side with once of the best defensive records in the league and that sits in 2nd above man city and is a game away from Wembley.

 

I am sure if you added up and worked out his average foxestalk match ratings for the season they would be far from poor. But seeing as neither of us can be bothered to do this according to whoscored's stats based ratings (not perfefect I know but the best we have). He averages 7.02 a game and has our 5th best average rating.

 

I would say he's had about 5 poor games this season 6 indifferent games and 10 good performances which out of 21 which falls well within my fluctuating form theory.  I know he was poor yesterday and along with the rest of the team against Man city and Liverpool but he's an outstanding young full back who will be back flying again soon.

I agree totally that some of the reaction has been out of proportion. People pay their money, get upset and go over the top. And I've read some complete rubbish about Chilwell on here not just today but for a few weeks - that he's hopeless, rubbish, cowardly, nowhere near fit for purpose - and that is obviously unfair. I don't dispute that he needs to man up a bit, impose himself on games more, be more positive, work on his limitations. But he's still got clear quality, and he's not the only poor performer of late.

 

It could be the intensity of our training, the failure to utilise the full squad or the extent to which sides have targeted our build-up play - I'm not sure - but he's part of a wider slump. He isn't the sole reason. And he's still got a lot of developing to do. In past eras we wet ourselves over anyone under the age of 26 who could kick a ball straight, so I see no reason to massacre Chilwell now.

 

That said, his performance yesterday really was abject. And I think you're being generous as regards his performances (and with respect to his ratings on Foxestalk, which I think would easily have him among our poorest regular starters. If not the worst.) I'm not sure he's had ten good performances this term, and even by your ranking he's been either poor or indifferent more often than he's been good. That makes him one of our weaker links. 

 

There's a lot of work for him to do. And in my view he's a way short of being an outstanding full back, as you've put it. In fact, I fully believe he needs a spell out of the side, and I totally get why some are saying that for 60/70m we'd be wise to cash in (even if I disagree on that point). But for my part I'd like us to keep our side together, work on our weaknesses, and keep the criticism balanced.

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Deserves to be benched on recent form but maybe there’s a reticence to do so in case that affects his value in the summer 

 

I know it will be affected if he continues his present form too but perhaps it’s hoped that it will improve 

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9 minutes ago, Mike Oxlong said:

Deserves to be benched on recent form but maybe there’s a reticence to do so in case that affects his value in the summer 

 

I know it will be affected if he continues his present form too but perhaps it’s hoped that it will improve 

That's a good point. Is it a case of cash in, persist, or see his value recede?

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1 hour ago, Russell sprout said:

He was shit when we was winning but got away with it because we won,

not anymore he’s not

Cant remember you posting how shit he was during all those wins and clean sheets. #fickle

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Just now, lgfualol said:

Cant remember you posting how shit he was during all those wins and clean sheets. #fickle

Didn’t know you checked my posts,

maybe you should get out more,

or try looking at my posts on him for the last 12 months where at his best he was bang average,

I think chillwell is shit,

and Said the same last season as well,

but if you rate him then good for you,

it’s a forum I’m entitled to argue my case

which the majority seem to think the same

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5 hours ago, The whole world smiles said:

 

5 hours ago, The whole world smiles said:

I simply don't agree with you that he has been consistently poor of late.

Yes he has !

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12 minutes ago, Russell sprout said:

Didn’t know you checked my posts,

maybe you should get out more,

or try looking at my posts on him for the last 12 months where at his best he was bang average,

I think chillwell is shit,

and Said the same last season as well,

but if you rate him then good for you,

it’s a forum I’m entitled to argue my case

which the majority seem to think the same

Fair enough. I just would have remembered the random "Chilwell is ****ing shit" comment while everyone was happy and we were flying with him in the side doing bits. We start losing games and everyone loses their heads.

 

The majority will think he is in the top 5 LBs in the league when he gets some form back. Looking forward to it.

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19 minutes ago, majaco said:

I was appalled at the way Chilwell was treated by our fans yesterday.

 

You could see his confidence drain  the first time he made an error.

 

He did not have a good game but he is our player.  We should be behind him.  He is talented; he is the England left back who came through our academy.

 

I trust Rodgers to deal with this.  The necessary man-management is undermined by our own  fans.

 

Fans should be supporters too particularly of a team that has done so well this season.

I don't jeer players myself but this is the same everywhere. It's part of the game, especially the higher up you go. His performances of late, and especially yesterday, aren't going to endear him to any set of fans. As a manager, Rodgers will hope firstly that he improves. Beyond that he drops him or moves him on. It's a fact of life. And Chilwell isn't the only one that applies to at the moment.

 

Griping over fans who slate dire performances, on the other hand, isn't any sort of serious solution in terms of a way forward. Unfair or not, it's an inevitability. And to be frank, if any performance deserves a slating, it's that one - so long as people don't go over the top. Hopefully Chilwell, as a player with a lot more ability than you'd believe from reading Foxestalk, will learn from it. If he doesn't, then regardless of where he plays the next few years of his football, he'll find that people don't get a great deal more forgiving than this if your standards slip so severely.

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23 minutes ago, lgfualol said:

Cant remember you posting how shit he was during all those wins and clean sheets. #fickle

Just looking back at past threads, it seems there has been quite a lot of concern on here over his form throughout the season.

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Some of our players need to man-up, its gonna be tough now to the end of the season. If the opposition think we are an easy touch physically or mentally , they will screw us. We have the football but we need the attitude as well . Chilwell has got to show he will fight to the last for this team but because I know men like Fuchs and Albrighton will . If he can't do that then he is no good to us.

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3 minutes ago, The whole world smiles said:

Oh no he hasn't....

 

Top debating mate you should be in Westminster or at least panto.

You must be watching another team pal and not Leicester, Ben Chilwell has been poor for a few games now, yesterday he gave the ball away 20 times and that`s just in the first half.... 

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1 minute ago, W88DY said:

You must be watching another team pal and not Leicester, Ben Chilwell has been poor for a few games now, yesterday he gave the ball away 20 times and that`s just in the first half.... 

I'm not arguing that he wasn't poor yesterday just arguing that he's not consistently poor.

 

Which I really shouldn't have to argue considering we have won a whopping 14 of the 21 games he's started this season and kept 7 clean sheets.

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He is a very limited player when compared with Ricardo on the other side of the pitch. The difference is stark.

 

Christian Fuchs should be back in the team.

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