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14 hours ago, StriderHiryu said:

A constant theme under Rodgers is versatility and playing in different ways, so we might not have any out and out number one striker and instead mix and match based on opposition and who's available. But it can't be any coincidence that since giving Nacho a clean run of games in a system that suits him that he has delivered big time.

 

I've often said that I think Nacho as as lone striker playing every game for us would still get us 15 goals a season because he's a clinical finisher, but now I don't think it's hyperbole to say that Nacho playing as part of a two for 38 games a season would get 20+ goals. Basically as a player he's come of age and even better there is more and more to come. I feel like even in the last month I've seen improvements in his game. 

 

The question is do we sacrifice too much to get two forwards into the team? But I don't think we do. We can even play a back 4 that transitions into a back 3 or vice versa. I thought Ricardo was back to his best today toward the end too so we can still have creativity with two in the team.

 

At least one positive to take in what feels like a pretty crappy day otherwise.

I'm not buying this "he can't play as a lone striker" it seems anyone now lazily puts this in any Iheanacho comment, like oh Leicester they are a counter attacking team. He's scored plenty of goals as a lone striker, sure he doesn't look good when he's on his own with no team mate within 40 yards of him but then neither does Vardy. He's only 24 and as you say getting better all the time. He could easily become a fantastic lone striker, he can score with his right foot, head and a left foot that can score from outside the box, very much like Kane can.

 

If he keeps progressing and learning how good could he be? look at Vardy at 24.

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2 minutes ago, messerschmitt said:

I'm not buying this "he can't play as a lone striker" it seems anyone now lazily puts this in any Iheanacho comment, like oh Leicester they are a counter attacking team. He's scored plenty of goals as a lone striker, sure he doesn't look good when he's on his own with no team mate within 40 yards of him but then neither does Vardy. He's only 24 and as you say getting better all the time. He could easily become a fantastic lone striker, he can score with his right foot, head and a left foot that can score from outside the box, very much like Kane can.

 

If he keeps progressing and learning how good could he be? look at Vardy at 24.

The difference when he's playing with someone compared to when he's ploughing a lone field on his own is night and day, so I don't think it's lazy to say it. He could play up top on his own, but you need to find a way of getting the 10 and the wide men as close as possible to him to get the very best from him. You aren't going to be able to have him hovering on the last man and charging on to a through ball as he's not quick enough, so there is a change of style needed. 

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12 hours ago, Plastik Man said:

The only slight reservation i have is whether Iheanacho, being very much a confidence player, is benefitting from games being played in empty stadiums? 

 

Will his confidence hold up in front of a groaning capacity crowd if (when) he misses a straightforward chance?  I'd like to think it would, it probably will, but I think there is a question mark there.

Then let's not groan and boo our own players. I agree with you that he's probably a confidence player. Groans and boo's affect any player but even more so confidence players but then confidence players are also lifted more by positivity from fans. Imagine what he could do with 30,000 fans behind him.

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Just now, Babylon said:

The difference when he's playing with someone compared to when he's ploughing a lone field on his own is night and day, so I don't think it's lazy to say it. He could play up top on his own, but you need to find a way of getting the 10 and the wide men as close as possible to him to get the very best from him. You aren't going to be able to have him hovering on the last man and charging on to a through ball as he's not quick enough, so there is a change of style needed. 

I agree, I think with Barnes on one side and a quality wide right player he would be fine.

 

Replacing Vardy has always been about making the sum of the parts better, then finding a like for like replacement for me.

 

 

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I think yesterday was the biggest show of his confidence. He gave the ball away a bit and obviously made the mistake for the 3rd goal but he backed himself to make something to happen. The 1st was a great strike but the second showed someone in great knick, was unusual how he managed to strike with control after pretty much bulldozing on to the ball. 

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3 minutes ago, Babylon said:

The difference when he's playing with someone compared to when he's ploughing a lone field on his own is night and day, so I don't think it's lazy to say it. He could play up top on his own, but you need to find a way of getting the 10 and the wide men as close as possible to him to get the very best from him. You aren't going to be able to have him hovering on the last man and charging on to a through ball as he's not quick enough, so there is a change of style needed. 

@Babylon I think we have differing opinions on that point and I'm not trying to change yours. I agree with your second point, he's not going to play on the last mans shoulder but then plenty of world class strikers don't play that way.

I'm admit I have a biased view of Iheanacho and have long been a fan of his. I have been ridiculed and laughed at on this forum over the years for defending him, even recently when I suggested Maddison's injury would give him a run of games to show what he could do. Maybe others will realise how good he actually is rather than offering to drive him to another club to bring in someone from Youtube.

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4 minutes ago, messerschmitt said:

@Babylon I think we have differing opinions on that point and I'm not trying to change yours. I agree with your second point, he's not going to play on the last mans shoulder but then plenty of world class strikers don't play that way.

I'm admit I have a biased view of Iheanacho and have long been a fan of his. I have been ridiculed and laughed at on this forum over the years for defending him, even recently when I suggested Maddison's injury would give him a run of games to show what he could do. Maybe others will realise how good he actually is rather than offering to drive him to another club to bring in someone from Youtube.

His own inconsistent performances have contributed to peoples opinions. I lost count of how many times he looked a lost figure on the pitch, numerous times falling on his arse, hitting the floor with his fits and just being sat there, rather than getting up and playing on. Little things like that stick in your mind, as he just didn't look committed. 

 

I've said it times, his a bat shit crazy footballer as he's sublime one moment and then literally horrific the next second. I would hardly be shocked if he was utter bobbins for the next 10 games. 

 

But he's absolutely grasped his chance this time, he's looking like he's enjoying himself playing football, which he rarely did before. Without him at the moment we'd be up shit creak, we just need to keep finding ways to get the best from him. 

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6 minutes ago, oldbluefox said:

Tbh over the past few games I thought he posed more of a threat on goal than Vardy has, and that from somebody who has not been impressed by him in the past.

You think that someone who has scored something like 9 goals in 9 games has posed more of a threat than someone who has scored like 1 in 17?

 

Who knew lol 

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The second was superb for me. The desire to get something on it and so powerful was superb. 
 

I said before I never ever expected it to be Kelechi of our squad whose stood up and been the player to show the maturity to another level. There were three players yesterday who stood out to me as absolute workhorses despite occasions when they didn’t play great - Youri, Kelly and Sharky. Having ‘bollocks’ basically - between the three of them they nearly got something out of yesterday 

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21 minutes ago, Charl91 said:

You think that someone who has scored something like 9 goals in 9 games has posed more of a threat than someone who has scored like 1 in 17?

 

Who knew lol 

I wasn't just talking about goals, it's the threat he poses in the opposition defence which opens up gaps for other players. 

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53 minutes ago, messerschmitt said:

I'm not buying this "he can't play as a lone striker" it seems anyone now lazily puts this in any Iheanacho comment, like oh Leicester they are a counter attacking team. He's scored plenty of goals as a lone striker, sure he doesn't look good when he's on his own with no team mate within 40 yards of him but then neither does Vardy. He's only 24 and as you say getting better all the time. He could easily become a fantastic lone striker, he can score with his right foot, head and a left foot that can score from outside the box, very much like Kane can.

 

If he keeps progressing and learning how good could he be? look at Vardy at 24.

There's no saying he can't, but the difference between him as a lone striker and him in a pair is phenomenal. He was improving when playing as a lone striker for us, but his current form is insane, he is genuinely our main man at the moment and without his goals we'd have dropped even more points. 

 

So it's not like he can't play as a lone striker, but more that he (and as a result the team) are better when he has a partner, so we ae probably better off using him that way in the short-term.

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38 minutes ago, Babylon said:

His own inconsistent performances have contributed to peoples opinions. I lost count of how many times he looked a lost figure on the pitch, numerous times falling on his arse, hitting the floor with his fits and just being sat there, rather than getting up and playing on. Little things like that stick in your mind, as he just didn't look committed. 

 

I've said it times, his a bat shit crazy footballer as he's sublime one moment and then literally horrific the next second. I would hardly be shocked if he was utter bobbins for the next 10 games. 

 

But he's absolutely grasped his chance this time, he's looking like he's enjoying himself playing football, which he rarely did before. Without him at the moment we'd be up shit creak, we just need to keep finding ways to get the best from him. 

It's very difficult to perform consistently when you're not playing regularly.

Even more so for a striker. This is the first time in his career that he has started 6 consecutive games and he's got 9 goals in them. I don't think thats a coincidence.

I get your point but I don't think he'll be utter bobbins in the next 10 games.

I agree there have been bad times and he doesn't look the most comfortably footballer, but his record of minutes and goals is amazing.

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20 minutes ago, StriderHiryu said:

There's no saying he can't, but the difference between him as a lone striker and him in a pair is phenomenal. He was improving when playing as a lone striker for us, but his current form is insane, he is genuinely our main man at the moment and without his goals we'd have dropped even more points. 

 

So it's not like he can't play as a lone striker, but more that he (and as a result the team) are better when he has a partner, so we ae probably better off using him that way in the short-term.

Yeah thats true but the amount of people claiming he can't play as a lone striker, he's scored plenty in that role for us. Like I say he's only 24. I think Henry was still a winger at that age.

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I’m a huge Iheanacho fan (and did speak in favour of him even before his recent run of form) but he just isn’t really suited to being a lone striker with the make up of our current squad. 
 

Perhaps, if we had another winger like Barnes then maybe but it’s clear he’s at his best finding space in between the opposition defence and midfield. If he plays up top alone he doesn’t have anybody occupying the opposition the centrehalves. 
 

Alone he drops too deep and doesn’t have the searing pace to then take advantage of a line that’s pushed up.

 

Him and Vardy work so well because they’re both quite strong in areas where the other is deficient. Iheanacho isn’t a natural line leader and Vardy isn’t comfortable dropping into midfield spaces.

 

Iheanacho is a fantastic ‘10 and a half’ and I think typically they need either another striker to play off or two wingers that are a really well rounded goal threat, which is obviously a rarity.

 

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3 hours ago, messerschmitt said:

Yeah thats true but the amount of people claiming he can't play as a lone striker, he's scored plenty in that role for us. Like I say he's only 24. I think Henry was still a winger at that age.

Nacho can play as a lone striker, but he needs the team to be built around him. He needs another Barnes esque winger on the right and a midfield that is willing to run past him as he comes deep. Maybe Madison and Youri can do the latter. But if we intend to play Perez or Albrighton at RW, Vardy will be ahead of him.

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8 hours ago, Babylon said:

His own inconsistent performances have contributed to peoples opinions. I lost count of how many times he looked a lost figure on the pitch, numerous times falling on his arse, hitting the floor with his fits and just being sat there, rather than getting up and playing on. Little things like that stick in your mind, as he just didn't look committed. 

 

I've said it times, his a bat shit crazy footballer as he's sublime one moment and then literally horrific the next second. I would hardly be shocked if he was utter bobbins for the next 10 games. 

 

But he's absolutely grasped his chance this time, he's looking like he's enjoying himself playing football, which he rarely did before. Without him at the moment we'd be up shit creak, we just need to keep finding ways to get the best from him. 

His overall performances have been fantastic recently. He links play, opens up the game and provides a real goal threat. I think you need to focus more on the abundantly obvious positives rather than working so hard to justify perceived negatives. 
 

Some of his earlier performances for us were poor, but his mind per goal and/or assists have been consistently v high (across all competitions) since the Everton home game last season. Ignore the odd clumsy touch and some poor decision making and focus on the things he does well; there’s much to focus on.

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Not having this he can't play as a lone striker it's absolutely bobbins. You'd have been called mad just a few months ago but we need to drop Vardy he is having little or no impact currently and we want to win the fa cup and make the top 4, no room for passengers. And while I'm at it don't get why we don't play fuchs instead of amartey. He can put the balls in if Albrighton isn't playing, he's much more composed and better on the ball AND it means little Wes can play on the right of the 3 if that's how we set up. 

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17 minutes ago, Kevin Russell said:

His overall performances have been fantastic recently. He links play, opens up the game and provides a real goal threat. I think you need to focus more on the abundantly obvious positives rather than working so hard to justify perceived negatives. 
 

Some of his earlier performances for us were poor, but his mind per goal and/or assists have been consistently v high (across all competitions) since the Everton home game last season. Ignore the odd clumsy touch and some poor decision making and focus on the things he does well; there’s much to focus on.

 Yeah, now. There wasn’t before, which was entirely the point. Peoples criticism was over the top, but his performances were mostly poor.

 

I’m not focusing on negatives I’m answering a specific point about why people weren’t exactly glowing about him.

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13 hours ago, Babylon said:

 Yeah, now. There wasn’t before, which was entirely the point. Peoples criticism was over the top, but his performances were mostly poor.

 

I’m not focusing on negatives I’m answering a specific point about why people weren’t exactly glowing about him.

You’re overall post reads as negative; peppered with descriptions like ‘horrific’ regarding his current displays and ‘ utter bobbins’ about what you think his future performances could look like. You write like someone who has been a vocal critic of him in the past and you sound like you are disgruntled that he has demonstrated what an enormous talent he is.

You are writing about the current premier league player of the month who has been a massive positive for our faltering side through a really tough period - I feel like the overall negativity in your post is a bit daft if I’m honest. However, each to their own I guess.

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On 11/04/2021 at 19:19, Koke said:

 

Imagine saying this just last year.

Imagine saying that after the Palace game when he missed the penalty.  Most wanted him gone (myself included) after that performance.

 

Amazing how quickly it has turned around for the guy.

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6 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Proud member of the "voted for Nacho instead of Perez in that poll on Foxestalk about who should replace Vardy as the lone striker when he was injured" club. 

He hasn’t really produced as a lone striker though.

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