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1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

Brilliantly taken goal but I’ll ask again.. what on earth is Nick Pope doing in that position?

If Kelechi connects with the ball at all, it’s in the back of the net. It wasn’t far off an open goal

 

He had been drilled to come off his line quickly and mop up any through balls, he did it loads last night. Just misjudged that one, it happens. Hes just unfortunate it fell to Kel rather than Vardy :D

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30 minutes ago, ian__marshall said:

Can't quite put my finger on what the issue is between him and Brendan. I'm absolutely convinced that over a full season playing regularly he's a 20 goal a season striker. Yes, he doesn't do the running of Vardy but there's no denying he knows how to find the back of the net. Weirdly there's an argument that the fact his only contribution in some games is a goal it's actually a good thing as it means his goals are evenly distributed which is a positive if you're a team like us that doesn't concede a huge amount as you'll likely pick up more points. 

 

I know some might say he's been here a while and hasn't cemented his place in the starting XI under various managers which is a valid point but conversely the form Vardy has been in the past few year's very few striker's in world football would have dislodged him from the team.

 

What I don't get is that now Vardy is clearly struggling (albeit due to injury) why he's not being given a fair chance. It's one of the things that frustrates me with Brendan at times. Despite being a very good coach he has the DNA of an England manager selecting players based on personal preference rather than form or merit. He'd obviously argue it works and it's difficult to dispute that given that we're sat 3rd in the league but it begs the question of whether we could achieve more if he wasn't so stubborn at times. As Nigel Pearson used to say 'it's a game of fine margins' . 

I agree with a lot of what you say. I think Kel has at times been really harshly treated. He could play well in a string of games. Yet the moment Vards returns from a lay off he. Nacho is dropped. To me that pattern has undoubtedly held Nachos development back. I just BR feels Vards pace, whether, he's firing or not. Stretches the pitch and creates space for others. So Vards fits the football Vision  better. Regardless of his goal scoring. 

 

In my view Brendan needs to recognise that we shouldn't stick slavishly to just one blueprint. Certainly not one that is modelled on a 34 year old striker 

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1 hour ago, ian__marshall said:

Can't quite put my finger on what the issue is between him and Brendan. I'm absolutely convinced that over a full season playing regularly he's a 20 goal a season striker. Yes, he doesn't do the running of Vardy but there's no denying he knows how to find the back of the net. Weirdly there's an argument that the fact his only contribution in some games is a goal it's actually a good thing as it means his goals are evenly distributed which is a positive if you're a team like us that doesn't concede a huge amount as you'll likely pick up more points. 

 

I know some might say he's been here a while and hasn't cemented his place in the starting XI under various managers which is a valid point but conversely the form Vardy has been in the past few year's very few striker's in world football would have dislodged him from the team.

 

What I don't get is that now Vardy is clearly struggling (albeit due to injury) why he's not being given a fair chance. It's one of the things that frustrates me with Brendan at times. Despite being a very good coach he has the DNA of an England manager selecting players based on personal preference rather than form or merit. He'd obviously argue it works and it's difficult to dispute that given that we're sat 3rd in the league but it begs the question of whether we could achieve more if he wasn't so stubborn at times. As Nigel Pearson used to say 'it's a game of fine margins' . 

Agree and said this before when BR was playing Perez as lone striker.

 

Nacho needs a run of games to understand how he fits into this team and how the team can play to his strengths, he isn't Vardy so we need to play differently when Nacho is playing.

 

Vardy is clearly not firing at the moment, Brighton is a good game to give him a rest bring him on after 60 minutes and let him run at them. 

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1 hour ago, ian__marshall said:

Can't quite put my finger on what the issue is between him and Brendan. I'm absolutely convinced that over a full season playing regularly he's a 20 goal a season striker. Yes, he doesn't do the running of Vardy but there's no denying he knows how to find the back of the net. Weirdly there's an argument that the fact his only contribution in some games is a goal it's actually a good thing as it means his goals are evenly distributed which is a positive if you're a team like us that doesn't concede a huge amount as you'll likely pick up more points. 

 

I know some might say he's been here a while and hasn't cemented his place in the starting XI under various managers which is a valid point but conversely the form Vardy has been in the past few year's very few striker's in world football would have dislodged him from the team.

 

What I don't get is that now Vardy is clearly struggling (albeit due to injury) why he's not being given a fair chance. It's one of the things that frustrates me with Brendan at times. Despite being a very good coach he has the DNA of an England manager selecting players based on personal preference rather than form or merit. He'd obviously argue it works and it's difficult to dispute that given that we're sat 3rd in the league but it begs the question of whether we could achieve more if he wasn't so stubborn at times. As Nigel Pearson used to say 'it's a game of fine margins' . 

I think BR might be concerned with Nacho’s work rate throughout the 90 minutes. I’ve listened to a fair few games without crowd noise and with headphones on and one of the common things is him being shouted at for not tracking back or pressing when he’s meant to, particularly late on in games.

 

I can’t remember which game it was, but earlier in the season people on here were also surprised he’d been taken off, but it came within seconds of a bollocking for losing his man.

 

I didn’t listen with headphones last night and thought his movement in that first half was fantastic and exactly what we’ve needed. It had dropped off though and he gave the ball away poorly (which to be fair everybody did at some point) just before being hooked. The other problem that you’d have if you’re looking to change it and took Vardy off is the Burnley defence wouldn’t drop as deep meaning less space between the midfield and defence. 

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2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Brilliantly taken goal but I’ll ask again.. what on earth is Nick Pope doing in that position?

If Kelechi connects with the ball at all, it’s in the back of the net. It wasn’t far off an open goal

 

I think Pope's position was OK to be honest.  9 times out of 10 the striker takes a touch to run into the box.  If that happens Pope is in a good position to either take the ball from Iheanacho's feet or at least push him out wide.  He was done by Iheanacho unexpectedly perfectly executing an extremely difficult skill.

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If its a choice between JV and Kel at the moment, for me we've got to start Kel. Firstly it is repaying Kel's efforts to stay motivated and have an impact when he does get a start, secondly Vardy is woefully out of form / injured and thirdly if JV is injured gives him time to recover. Kel's offering much more up-front at the moment, he should play against the lower sides where the onus is on breaking through a defence and save Vardy for picking off the better teams that put us under pressure.

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45 minutes ago, nnfox said:

I think Pope's position was OK to be honest.  9 times out of 10 the striker takes a touch to run into the box.  If that happens Pope is in a good position to either take the ball from Iheanacho's feet or at least push him out wide.  He was done by Iheanacho unexpectedly perfectly executing an extremely difficult skill.

I disagree to be honest, Pope has left Iheancho with virtually an open goal if he gets any contact on it. He's just misjudged the flight of the ball. Don't get me wrong it's a great strike but Pope made it considerably easier for him. The ball's gone into the middle of the goal.

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1 minute ago, M0901 said:

It’s like he knew it was in and did it for the camera 😂😂

“Head over the ball, eyes on the ball all the way, follow through” 

 

 

Nah. None of that bollocks. 

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13 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

If its a choice between JV and Kel at the moment, for me we've got to start Kel. Firstly it is repaying Kel's efforts to stay motivated and have an impact when he does get a start, secondly Vardy is woefully out of form / injured and thirdly if JV is injured gives him time to recover. Kel's offering much more up-front at the moment, he should play against the lower sides where the onus is on breaking through a defence and save Vardy for picking off the better teams that put us under pressure.

I think his all round game last night was a pleasure to watch. Seemed to put himself about a bit more too.

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16 hours ago, pazzerfox said:

Thought he was our best player tonight.  Anyone think the keeper was slightly to blame for Iheanacho's goal or is it just me?  Great strike, unsure if the keepers positioning was a bit dodgy.

Kasper kept us in the game with two of the saves being World Class.

 

Agree Pope's positioning on the goal though. Angles were all wrong, I wondered where he was going lol

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3 minutes ago, enmac said:

Looking at it again a few times, I can see where JV plays a crucial part. Taking a defender away from the central area. 

Not convinced by that, recently JV has been going deeper to collect the ball and I think that is what he was doing there,.

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1 minute ago, hejammy said:

Not convinced by that, recently JV has been going deeper to collect the ball and I think that is what he was doing there,.

OK. By accident or design, it made a difference. 

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1 minute ago, hejammy said:

Not convinced by that, recently JV has been going deeper to collect the ball and I think that is what he was doing there,.

to be a decoy runner, defender's have to believe the ball to him might be viable

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Just now, enmac said:

OK. By accident or design, it made a difference. 

 

Just now, eblair said:

to be a decoy runner, defender's have to believe the ball to him might be viable

I agree, but he was a decoy runner by accident, not by design in my opinion. I don't see the need to praise JV on this occasion, if Nacho had done this exact thing nobody would make a whisper. Sometimes we try and find something because its JV, similarly on the opposite side of things when its someone like Hamza or Perez (recent scapegoats).

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He offers more than JV in terms of coming deeper to get the ball and linking the play. However this will means that outside strikers (Barnes etc) as well as any No10’s will have to go beyond the strikers line more frequently. 

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At Man City he tended to come into the play as he does with us from a withdrawn position.Always looked the same in his play but had a distinct knack of hitting the back of the net .Never a Pep player due to perceived lack of pressing

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We have been here before with Iheanacho. Plays well, scores and his all round game and energy is spot on. I just hope he can build on this and maintain it, as too often he has then had a couple of stinkers, where is touch deserts him and he just doesn't work hard enough. 

 

I've said it a few times now, he could be absolutely key for us over the next few weeks and I just hope he is up for it!

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5 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Brilliantly taken goal but I’ll ask again.. what on earth is Nick Pope doing in that position?

If Kelechi connects with the ball at all, it’s in the back of the net. It wasn’t far off an open goal

 


Because if he takes a touch like a normal person would instead of attempting a volley dropping over his shoulder which is about as hard a thing you can do in football. Pope would be on him closing the angle. 

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5 hours ago, ian__marshall said:

Can't quite put my finger on what the issue is between him and Brendan. I'm absolutely convinced that over a full season playing regularly he's a 20 goal a season striker. Yes, he doesn't do the running of Vardy but there's no denying he knows how to find the back of the net. Weirdly there's an argument that the fact his only contribution in some games is a goal it's actually a good thing as it means his goals are evenly distributed which is a positive if you're a team like us that doesn't concede a huge amount as you'll likely pick up more points. 

 

I know some might say he's been here a while and hasn't cemented his place in the starting XI under various managers which is a valid point but conversely the form Vardy has been in the past few year's very few striker's in world football would have dislodged him from the team.

 

What I don't get is that now Vardy is clearly struggling (albeit due to injury) why he's not being given a fair chance. It's one of the things that frustrates me with Brendan at times. Despite being a very good coach he has the DNA of an England manager selecting players based on personal preference rather than form or merit. He'd obviously argue it works and it's difficult to dispute that given that we're sat 3rd in the league but it begs the question of whether we could achieve more if he wasn't so stubborn at times. As Nigel Pearson used to say 'it's a game of fine margins' . 

This is what I think - it may be unpopular, but JV is a little bit untouchable for us and BR probably thinks that too. I actually don't think that BR has the balls to drop Vardy and he knows if he did JV would perhaps cause an issue amongst the "leadership team". I think if it's BR vs JV with the owners then JV comes out on top everytime. This is unfortunate but JV is a legend of the club but perhaps we do need someone to give Kel a chance. I may be wrong but that what I think may be happening. 

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