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2 minutes ago, 49er said:

Not sure that hooliganism kept supporters away. It was just the fact that it was essentially a working man’s game. It’s appeal to a broader clientele probably resulted from Sky’s saturation coverage with football becoming more entertainment rather than just being a sport

Hooliganism stopped me taking my kids to games so I'm sure it had quite an impact.

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7 minutes ago, 49er said:

Not sure that hooliganism kept supporters away. It was just the fact that it was essentially a working man’s game. It’s appeal to a broader clientele probably resulted from Sky’s saturation coverage with football becoming more entertainment rather than just being a sport

Idk we averaged over 20.000 a few years prior although we did have a very good side, I believe football violence greatly affected people’s decisions on whether to go or not.

Who would want to sit up in the decker for example when there’s scrapping all around? 

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1 minute ago, davieG said:

Hooliganism stopped me taking my kids to games so I'm sure it had quite an impact.

I suppose at the time that was almost an acceptance that hooliganism went side by side with football. Many who attended were males who ‘came for the aggro’, as it was peer pressure from their mates

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6 minutes ago, 49er said:

Not sure that hooliganism kept supporters away. It was just the fact that it was essentially a working man’s game. It’s appeal to a broader clientele probably resulted from Sky’s saturation coverage with football becoming more entertainment rather than just being a sport

Of course it did I was a young kid then but I heard all the stories from my dad. you would never have dreamed of taking a child into that kind of environment it was a totally different world.

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Just now, 49er said:

I suppose at the time that was almost an acceptance that hooliganism went side by side with football. Many who attended were males who ‘came for the aggro’, as it was peer pressure from their mates

They'd always been attended by males for many years with no problems at all, you sound like you're making excuses for them. If people want to complain about all seater stadiums and a sanitised game they can certainly blame it on the thugs of that era. 

I'm pretty sure there wasn't any acceptance of it by the majority, certainly pissed me off.

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2 minutes ago, SexyGammonFox said:

Of course it did I was a young kid then but I heard all the stories from my dad. you would never have dreamed of taking a child into that kind of environment it was a totally different world.

I started going with my dad in the seventies and, at times, it was a scary experience.Banks of policemen on standby ready for any trouble. Funnily enough, once you got into the ground, particularly with segregation in the eighties, you felt quite safe

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3 minutes ago, davieG said:

They'd always been attended by males for many years with no problems at all, you sound like you're making excuses for them. If people want to complain about all seater stadiums and a sanitised game they can certainly blame it on the thugs of that era. 

I'm pretty sure there wasn't any acceptance of it by the majority, certainly pissed me off.

I agree with you. The fact was that many males going to a game had to give the impression that they liked the ‘aggro’ because of peer pressure even if deep down it wa not something they truly believed in

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1 minute ago, 49er said:

I started going with my dad in the seventies and, at times, it was a scary experience.Banks of policemen on standby ready for any trouble. Funnily enough, once you got into the ground, particularly with segregation in the eighties, you felt quite safe

Bollocks, before the fence went in the kop I've heard stories of one side chasing the other for the entire duration of the game in there. You can't tell me that didn't effect people taking their kids to the game.

 

Even when the fence was there in the 90s and the opposition in another stand it could be brutal on occasion.

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1 minute ago, SexyGammonFox said:

Bollocks, before the fence went in the kop I've heard stories of one side chasing the other for the entire duration of the game in there. You can't tell me that didn't effect people taking their kids to the game.

 

Even when the fence was there in the 90s and the opposition in another stand it could be brutal on occasion.

In the eighties, the away fans received a police escort and were herded into Pen 1, with Pen 2 left empty to separate them from the City fans. They also sat in the adjacent East Stand. Occasionally some away fans managed to get into the Double Decker but there were no running battles inside Filbert Street in the eighties

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12 minutes ago, 49er said:

I started going with my dad in the seventies and, at times, it was a scary experience.Banks of policemen on standby ready for any trouble. Funnily enough, once you got into the ground, particularly with segregation in the eighties, you felt quite safe

Wasn’t particularly safe with coins whistling around your ears 

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25 minutes ago, davieG said:

Hooliganism stopped me taking my kids to games so I'm sure it had quite an impact.

Yeah my godfather wouldn't take me to the Chelsea game, the same day as Hillsborough as he knew what was likely to happen. And so it did.

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1 minute ago, Bayfox said:

Yeah my godfather wouldn't take me to the Chelsea game, the same day as Hillsborough as he knew what was likely to happen. And so it did.

Chelsea was certainly a game where you need a letter from your mum saying you were too ill to attend

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45 minutes ago, Bayfox said:

Yeah my godfather wouldn't take me to the Chelsea game, the same day as Hillsborough as he knew what was likely to happen. And so it did.

My Dad only took.me to a couple of games a.season and we followed.non league instead. Senior league and Leicester United and sometimes Kettering. The hooliganism being the direct factor. Arsenal and Cov at home I can remember him.panicking and throwing me into the sand track. 

 

Funnily enough, of.all games to choose, he actually took me to Chelsea (who were on the verge of.promotio and brought 10k) as he had a Chelsea mate.from.London and we sat in the main stand. It was quite a spectacle

 

I .remember the cheers Inthe ground when the tannoy at theu end announced that Liverpool Forest was . abandoned due to 'crowd trouble' .....when we got to the car and turned the radio on for the scores, it reported 72 were dead (we thought due to trouble)....the shock was akin to 9/11

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58 minutes ago, 49er said:

In the eighties, the away fans received a police escort and were herded into Pen 1, with Pen 2 left empty to separate them from the City fans. They also sat in the adjacent East Stand. Occasionally some away fans managed to get into the Double Decker but there were no running battles inside Filbert Street in the eighties

 

2 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

My Dad only took.me to a couple of games a.season and we followed.non league instead. Senior league and Leicester United and sometimes Kettering. The hooliganism being the direct factor. Arsenal and Cov at home I can remember him.panicking and throwing me into the sand track. 

 

Funnily enough, of.all games to choose, he actually took me to Chelsea (who were on the verge of.promotio and brought 10k) as he had a Chelsea mate.from.London and we sat in the main stand. It was quite a spectacle

 

I .remember the cheers Inthe ground when the tannoy at theu end announced that Liverpool Forest was . abandoned due to 'crowd trouble' .....when we got to the car and turned the radio on for the scores, it reported 72 were dead (we thought due to trouble)....the shock was akin to 9/11

When Leicester played Chelsea on the same day as the fateful Liverpool/Forest game it was kicking off in the Double Decker and outside up Burnmoor st

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22 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

 

I .remember the cheers Inthe ground when the tannoy at theu end announced that Liverpool Forest was . abandoned due to 'crowd trouble' .....when we got to the car and turned the radio on for the scores, it reported 72 were dead (we thought due to trouble)....the shock was akin to 9/11

Same sort of feeling, walking back to the railway station after we lost 4-0 against Luton ( think it was Lineker’s last game for us) and then heard someone’s transistor radio talking about a fire at Bradford. Had no idea how tragic it actually was at the time

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2 hours ago, 49er said:

If we got 11,000 we thought it was a decent turnout 

Would take all attendances from that era with a pinch of salt. Was told by someone back then the books were cooked at every home game. He reckons most games had 2 to 4k knocked off the figure. Odd game was even more.

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11 hours ago, nala said:

Can anyone help me with a piece of information regarding Bob Hazell.

Was he sent off against Norwich City at Filbert Street on 17 November 1984 ?

If so does anybody know what minute he was sent off in ?

Something in my memory tells me Bob was sent off for us, but it was something weird. But more than that I cannot recall. Sorry

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11 hours ago, 49er said:

I can’t recall him ever being sent off when he played for us, although I might be wrong. His signing was instrumental in our recovering from a really poor start and climbing the table

I seem to remember him getting sent off against us - I think he was playing for QPR and he had a go at our Mark Goodwin. 

 

If ever there was a mismatch it was that one. 

 

Big Bad Bob was a cracking signing and really stabilised us …….. Who throws petrol bombs ………

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3 hours ago, Crazy Kop Corner said:

I seem to remember him getting sent off against us - I think he was playing for QPR and he had a go at our Mark Goodwin. 

 

If ever there was a mismatch it was that one. 

 

Big Bad Bob was a cracking signing and really stabilised us …….. Who throws petrol bombs ………

Perhaps you read it here :P

13 hours ago, davieG said:

OF&F says - before he joined his disciplinary record was poor and Filbert Street regulars had already witnessed one of his dismissals after a clash with Mark Goodwin. So I guess he improved for us.

 

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15 hours ago, SexyGammonFox said:

Bollocks, before the fence went in the kop I've heard stories of one side chasing the other for the entire duration of the game in there. You can't tell me that didn't effect people taking their kids to the game.

 

Even when the fence was there in the 90s and the opposition in another stand it could be brutal on occasion.

The fences went in during the early 70's. I only have a vague recollection of the Kop pre-pens as I was just one of the little kids sitting on the wall at the front of the Main Stand enclosure. I do remember small pockets of away fans in the Kop that were chased out, such as Arsenal when about 3-4 ran for their lives the entire length of the pitch to the Filbert Street end (although the Kop might've been penned by then). The only serious pre-pen tear up that I can vividly remember was the infamous night match against NottsF. They got in the Kop in numbers very early pre-match and it kicked off big time when our crowd turned up. There were no Snotties in the Kop after that. 

 

My Dad stopped going for about 10 years after the Villa riot in '78 eventhough it had always been his life since the war. Seems that many others did during the 80's.

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