Facecloth 13,315 Posted 21 January Report Share Posted 21 January 2 minutes ago, Fightforever said: Subverting democracy? The only similarity I really see is the disdain for the poor. By our standards Biden would be center right. So actually the Tories are more similar to the democrats than Trump. He isn't talking about policy. Read the bloody tweet before you comment. He's talking about the culture of mistrust, the false news, they lies, and the division thats caused. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chocolate Teapot 3,895 Posted 21 January Report Share Posted 21 January 5 minutes ago, Facecloth said: "Whilst they aren't as bad, the current UK government has similar traits" Don't see an issue with that. He saying they aren't on the same level but they show similar behaviour. There are elements of the Tory party that really admire Trump and the movement. Jenrick used tax payers money to fly to trumps inauguration and Ben Bradley is very much of the same ilk. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fightforever 864 Posted 21 January Report Share Posted 21 January (edited) 3 minutes ago, Facecloth said: He isn't talking about policy. Read the bloody tweet before you comment. He's talking about the culture of mistrust, the false news, they lies, and the division thats caused. False news? The day the Tories spread anything near Q anon and attempt a siege near Parliament is the day I will agree. Division is standard in the west post 2008 financial crash. I have never in my life met someone who trusts the government. So that isn't new. Edited 21 January by Fightforever 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Facecloth 13,315 Posted 21 January Popular Post Report Share Posted 21 January 6 minutes ago, Fightforever said: False news? The day the Tories spread anything near Q anon and attempt a siege near Parliament is the day I will agree. Division is standard in the west post 2008 financial crash. I have never in my life met someone who trusts the government. So that isn't new. Sigh. You going for the worst things Trump has done and declaring the tories have never done anything that bad. Neville says there are elements the of the same, not the exact same. Their behaviour is heading down that route and its just saying hopefully we can move away from that style before it gets as bad. Its all relative. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RoboFox 3,986 Posted 21 January Report Share Posted 21 January 4 hours ago, Facecloth said: Surprising to see this. I always thought that Gary Neville was more likely to be... *puts on sunglasses* ...on the right than the left. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Buce 11,892 Posted 21 January Popular Post Report Share Posted 21 January 2 hours ago, Fightforever said: Subverting democracy? Wasn't proroguing parliament exactly that? 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Voll Blau 9,395 Posted 21 January Popular Post Report Share Posted 21 January 2 hours ago, Fightforever said: Subverting democracy? Spreading blatant disinformation to stay in power? The only similarity I really see is the disdain for the poor. By our standards Biden would be center right. So actually the Tories are more similar to the democrats than Trump. Let's not forget the Tories' decision to change the name of their official Twitter account to 'Fact Check UK' during a pre-election debate in 2019 or the recent edict from Wellingborough Conservatives that campaigners should embrace fake news. Embracing tactics like that doesn't start with mobs being incited to commit insurrections - but that's where it can end. The Tories under Johnson have certainly been well up for pushing the bounds of acceptability when it comes to disinformation. It's well beyond the kind of tit-for-tat political spin bollocks we've been used to in recent decades. 6 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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foxile5 2,579 Posted 21 January Report Share Posted 21 January 1 hour ago, StanSP said: Oh this is absolutely fantastic if it's true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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LVocey 96 Posted 22 January Report Share Posted 22 January I'm hoping that if Covid has taught us anything, its the importance of plain competency in our governments, rather than the personality popularity contests it has become. Seems rather obvious when you spell it out. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fightforever 864 Posted 22 January Report Share Posted 22 January 23 hours ago, Buce said: Wasn't proroguing parliament exactly that? Come on that wasn't nearly as bad. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fightforever 864 Posted 22 January Report Share Posted 22 January 23 hours ago, Voll Blau said: Let's not forget the Tories' decision to change the name of their official Twitter account to 'Fact Check UK' during a pre-election debate in 2019 or the recent edict from Wellingborough Conservatives that campaigners should embrace fake news. Embracing tactics like that doesn't start with mobs being incited to commit insurrections - but that's where it can end. The Tories under Johnson have certainly been well up for pushing the bounds of acceptability when it comes to disinformation. It's well beyond the kind of tit-for-tat political spin bollocks we've been used to in recent decades. Fair enough I can see why people draw simmilarities on that front. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Facecloth 13,315 Posted 22 January Report Share Posted 22 January On 21/01/2021 at 13:58, Voll Blau said: Let's not forget the Tories' decision to change the name of their official Twitter account to 'Fact Check UK' during a pre-election debate in 2019 or the recent edict from Wellingborough Conservatives that campaigners should embrace fake news. Embracing tactics like that doesn't start with mobs being incited to commit insurrections - but that's where it can end. The Tories under Johnson have certainly been well up for pushing the bounds of acceptability when it comes to disinformation. It's well beyond the kind of tit-for-tat political spin bollocks we've been used to in recent decades. Don't forget the editing of an interview with Starmer making out that he had struggled to answer a question when that wasn't the case, and then plastering that all over twitter. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LVocey 96 Posted 22 January Report Share Posted 22 January Shows just how negatively the general public view the Labour party, when we can all point out examples such as the few above of how the Conservative party acts, and yet, they will likely go into the next election as favourites to win. We are a baffling country at times. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voll Blau 9,395 Posted 22 January Report Share Posted 22 January I like Big Keir but this is great... 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StanSP 28,468 Posted 2 February Report Share Posted 2 February Why did some politicians abstain on a vote yesterday regarding dangerous cladding on some properties? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Facecloth 13,315 Posted 2 February Report Share Posted 2 February 9 minutes ago, StanSP said: Why did some politicians abstain on a vote yesterday regarding dangerous cladding on some properties? Some MP are paired, so if one can't vote for whatever reason, then they are paired with someone who will vote the other way, who also won't vote to cancel it out. I've seen recently that Corbyn was getting pelters for abstaining from voting for LGBT rights, this was prior to his leadership, but he was actually paired with another MP. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FoxesDeb 2,298 Posted 2 February Report Share Posted 2 February 14 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Some MP are paired, so if one can't vote for whatever reason, then they are paired with someone who will vote the other way, who also won't vote to cancel it out. I've seen recently that Corbyn was getting pelters for abstaining from voting for LGBT rights, this was prior to his leadership, but he was actually paired with another MP. Thanks, I didn't know that. My first thought was that maybe the MP's abstaining had an interest in the cladding companies or some other much more cynical reason than your explanation 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Facecloth 13,315 Posted 2 February Report Share Posted 2 February Just now, FoxesDeb said: Thanks, I didn't know that. My first thought was that maybe the MP's abstaining had an interest in the cladding companies or some other much more cynical reason than your explanation That's also possible. I haven't looked into who abstained. Some could be pairing, some could be because of what you said. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buce 11,892 Posted 2 February Report Share Posted 2 February 48 minutes ago, StanSP said: Why did some politicians abstain on a vote yesterday regarding dangerous cladding on some properties? 35 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Some MP are paired, so if one can't vote for whatever reason, then they are paired with someone who will vote the other way, who also won't vote to cancel it out. I've seen recently that Corbyn was getting pelters for abstaining from voting for LGBT rights, this was prior to his leadership, but he was actually paired with another MP. 17 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said: Thanks, I didn't know that. My first thought was that maybe the MP's abstaining had an interest in the cladding companies or some other much more cynical reason than your explanation The govt ordered its MPs to abstain. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Facecloth 13,315 Posted 2 February Report Share Posted 2 February Just now, Buce said: The govt ordered its MPs to abstain. That was the other possibility @FoxesDeb Why did they order them to abstain? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Buce 11,892 Posted 2 February Report Share Posted 2 February 1 minute ago, Facecloth said: That was the other possibility @FoxesDeb Why did they order them to abstain? Politics. It was a Labour opposition day motion. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wymsey 4,689 Posted 4 February Report Share Posted 4 February Piers Corbyn has been arrested for being a public nuisance over Covid-19. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55933373 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UpTheLeagueFox 10,398 Posted 4 February Report Share Posted 4 February 11 minutes ago, Wymsey said: Piers Corbyn has been arrested for being a public nuisance over Covid-19. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55933373 Strange family those lot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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