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Whatever political party anyone follows, you'd have to have your blue scarf tied so tight around your neck that it's stopping oxygen getting to the brain to contest that Johnson has been anything other than a Covid disaster. It's only the right wing press that are keeping the lightweight's head above water. He'd have been thrown out of office in any other era.  

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10 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Might be a dumb question but how are they getting the data of knowing if someone had symptoms before a test or not?

 

Is there a form you have to fill out before getting a test done? If so, if you don't have symptoms (and click the right part on the form), how are you allowed a test? Same goes for booking it - do you only get a test sent to you if you commit to saying you have symptoms?

Yes you have to say if you have symptoms or not.

 

You can get a test because they aren't limited to only people expressing symptoms. Key workers can get a test whenever, and they don't check if you are a keyworker. 

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3 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Yes you have to say if you have symptoms or not.

 

You can get a test because they aren't limited to only people expressing symptoms. Key workers can get a test whenever, and they don't check if you are a keyworker. 

So if you say you don't have symptoms, are they still testing you and if they are, what's Hancock going on about.

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Just now, yorkie1999 said:

So if you say you don't have symptoms, are they still testing you and if they are, what's Hancock going on about.

I don't get where the confusion is.

 

You can get a test if you don't have symptoms. 

 

They are testing people who don't have symptoms.

 

Hancock is saying people who are neither key workers, or showing symptoms, are getting tested when they don't need to.

 

Simply because it's overly difficult to prove you're a key worker. :dunno:

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24 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Yes you have to say if you have symptoms or not.

 

You can get a test because they aren't limited to only people expressing symptoms. Key workers can get a test whenever, and they don't check if you are a keyworker. 

But if you're a key worker, in a hospital for instance, that might have been around someone who did have COVID, you'd want to get tested wouldn't you? Even if you weren't displaying symptoms, it makes sense as a key worker (given the environment you're in) to make sure you don't have COVID...?

 

If it isn't limited to only people expressing symptoms, what are they moaning about? The issue being perhaps there needs to be checks, or better checks, on who can get tested?

 

My point being, if you allow a system where anyone can get tested, people will want to get tested to make sure they don't have it? 

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22 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

12 more deaths, 2659 more cases.

 

EDIT: Just read this:

 

'A 10pm curfew may also be imposed in England should the measures fail to halt the spread of coronavirus, reports suggest. '

 

We've totally lost the plot.

People going out for the evening will absolutely head straight home at 10pm and not head to house parties to continue the socialising.

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21 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

12 more deaths, 2659 more cases.

 

EDIT: Just read this:

 

'A 10pm curfew may also be imposed in England should the measures fail to halt the spread of coronavirus, reports suggest. '

 

We've totally lost the plot.

This won't go on. 

 

The government will.lose the people. In fact, I think they lost the people in May and loosened lockdown as a reactive  consequence. Leicester remained in  (supposed) lockdown as some kind of example.

 

and it largely worked in frightening other places into behaving. However, When it became obvious in Leicester nobody gave a flying fack after 4 weeks and businesses on the brink of bankruptcy threatened to.open anyway...hey presto! Lockdown Leicester was eased. 

 

December will see any semblance of lockdown in tatters, regardless of numbers. The UK (and western world)  won't jack in Xmas for anything or anyone. Period.

 

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27 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

12 more deaths, 2659 more cases.

 

EDIT: Just read this:

 

'A 10pm curfew may also be imposed in England should the measures fail to halt the spread of coronavirus, reports suggest. '

 

We've totally lost the plot.

 

Mega lost the plot 

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I don't understand how this is gonna prevent the spread? All that'll happen is lads will go boozing at 8am until 10pm, rather than 12pm till 2am.

 

As Panini said, people won't take much more of this, with every new restriction or rule the Government lose more and more support.

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20 minutes ago, StanSP said:

But if you're a key worker, in a hospital for instance, that might have been around someone who did have COVID, you'd want to get tested wouldn't you? Even if you weren't displaying symptoms, it makes sense as a key worker (given the environment you're in) to make sure you don't have COVID...?

 

If it isn't limited to only people expressing symptoms, what are they moaning about? The issue being perhaps there needs to be checks, or better checks, on who can get tested?

 

My point being, if you allow a system where anyone can get tested, people will want to get tested to make sure they don't have it? 

Ffs man. IF YOU ARE A KEY WORKER YOU CAN GET TESTED WHENEVER THE HELL YOU WANT. 

 

It IS limited to NON-KEY WORKERS who are NOT expressing symptoms. That is why they are moaning. But there's no way apart from people's own braincells to stop every Tom dick and Harry signing up for a test. 

 

Of course every hypochondriac will want to get tested, this is what they are moaning about. :facepalm:

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2 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Ffs man. IF YOU ARE A KEY WORKER YOU CAN GET TESTED WHENEVER THE HELL YOU WANT. 

 

It IS limited to NON-KEY WORKERS who are NOT expressing symptoms. That is why they are moaning. But there's no way apart from people's own braincells to stop every Tom dick and Harry signing up for a test. 

 

Of course every hypochondriac will want to get tested, this is what they are moaning about. :facepalm:

Alright chill out.

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18 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Backs up my point that everyone wants their selfish version of lockdown rather than whats good for society as whole.

Pretty much split in half on the government aren't doing enough/the government are doing too much now. 

 

Should be fun. Been far to long since this country was divided. lol

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Makes no difference to me really, as generally don't have social gatherings larger than 6 lol 

 

People who have broken social distancing rules will continue to do so regardless. I feel for genuine people who may have made every effort to socially distance when in groups, and organise parties etc that take this into account. 

 

If we went back to only testing people who were seriously ill and in hospital, would there be any type of lockdown? I'm not sure there would be. 

 

A lot of it is just the government being seen to be doing something. 

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Honestly I don't think it's a doom and gloom as this I thought this morning.

 

The boom which happened in Manchester a few weeks ago has spread across to mainly Leeds, Birmingham and Liverpool, so obviously cases are going to massively increase as they're 3 big cities, but I don't think we're back to square one. It's just the kick up the arse we all needed to control this beast yet keep control of our lives.

 

I include Glasgow in this too.

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According to the British Medical Journal what Boris was referring to is a plan to spend 100 billion on the testing expansion in 2021 ?!   
 

That might be enough to literally fund a moon landing.  Surely that cannot be correct?

 

The plan is to test everyone in the country once a week in order to return to a completely normal life...
 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-uk-plans-100-billion-expansion-of-testing-in-2021/

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3520

 

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23 minutes ago, Stivo said:

According to the British Medical Journal what Boris was referring to is a plan to spend 100 billion on the testing expansion in 2021 ?!   
 

That might be enough to literally fund a moon landing.  Surely that cannot be correct?

 

The plan is to test everyone in the country once a week in order to return to a completely normal life...
 

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2237475-covid-19-news-uk-plans-100-billion-expansion-of-testing-in-2021/

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3520

 

And what happens when someone flies in from a different country with it? Back to square one.

 

We either need a vaccine or develop some form of immunity and just live with it.

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24 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

And what happens when someone flies in from a different country with it? Back to square one.

 

We either need a vaccine or develop some form of immunity and just live with it.

I not saying that I think it a practical or a good idea...

 

but I guess the plan would then be to test everyone at the airport ( hopefully with a 20 minutes saliva testing).  They will have to report  for another test after a week, everyone they meet will already have to get their weekly test and so it is quashed quickly.  
 

I imagine you will have to show your latest test result to e.g get into the King Power, get into a nightclub etc etc.


Ignoring the cost ( same order as the nhs budget or enough for 33 more aircraft carriers! ) it is not totally insane and if immunity doesn’t last, vaccines don’t work and no cure is found it may be the least bad option.

 

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33 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

And what happens when someone flies in from a different country with it? Back to square one.

 

We either need a vaccine or develop some form of immunity and just live with it.

Have a policy similar to Iceland. Test on arrival, result delivered within 24 hours. Five days quarantine at home address or designated location. 5th day test, negative - away you go 

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4 minutes ago, Stivo said:

I not saying that I think it a practical or a good idea...

 

but I guess the plan would then be to test everyone at the airport ( hopefully with a 20 minutes saliva testing).  They will have to report  for another test after a week, everyone they meet will already have to get their weekly test and so it is quashed quickly.  
 

I imagine you will have to show your latest test result to e.g get into the King Power, get into a nightclub etc etc.


Ignoring the cost ( same order as the nhs budget or enough for 33 more aircraft carriers! ) it is not totally insane and if immunity doesn’t last, vaccines don’t work and no cure is found it may be the least bad option.

 

 

Sounds good in practice, but only takes one or two false tests or people to break the quarantine and we're back to square one again.

 

4 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Have a policy similar to Iceland. Test on arrival, result delivered within 24 hours. Five days quarantine at home address or designated location. 5th day test, negative - away you go 

I suggested this before but for some reason we do a 14 day quarantine instead. God knows, I think I need to stop reading the news, it's drove me crazy today

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