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9 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

If we wear masks all the time, would this not effect our immunity to things like the common cold? Like don't we need some germs even if it's just a small amount so our body can fight them in the future etc. Genuine question and I have no idea on the answer.

Very true, I believe in this new, & I’m talking pre-Covid here, sterilised world we live our immune systems seem to be getting weaker and we are getting more reliant on medicines to get us out of a pickle which in turn is weakening the effectiveness of these drugs also.

I look at my sister when she had a baby and the face & hands of the kid we’re wiped continually along with everything he touched, I’m not saying we should all go back to sucking on garden worms and licking swing chains but we need to ease off on trying to kill off anything that isn’t surgical clean.

Its a hard thing to do granted as people are getting ultra rich off the back of cleaning products etc but we’re doing ourselves out of self protection being reliant on chemicals that kill both good and bad bacteria’s that’s live naturally in our bodies.

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2 hours ago, String fellow said:

Tbf, I don't think I've lost all sense of reason. The fact is that thousands of British lives were lost in Spring this year because a national lock-down was introduced far too slowly. When it was, the death rate slowly began to shrink. It seems to me that it would be entirely reasonable to re-introduce similar measures this Autumn, if that is what it would take to stop the terrible suffering and deaths of thousands more.

As regards people in Africa who 'get along just fine' with their communicable diseases, the fact is that the average lifespan in Africa is 14 years less than the global average, with over half dying from those diseases in some regions. And many thousands of children in Africa die every year from Malaria. Is that really getting along just fine?

Well my wife's grandmother lived till she was 90 (African) mine died in their 80's, my grampy in his 50's from a heart condition. I doubt the record keeping is the same, but the biggest cause of death is poverty and access to health care. The two exact things that lockdown will achieve and the reason it will lead to more deaths than covid.

 

People live longer when they aren't in poverty, so don't put them in it, for all our sakes. They also look after the environment better etc. You see, long term health and plastic waste becomes a bit less important when you're trying to survive day to day! (Food and shelter).

 

The only time this will be over will be when it's no longer news worthy. Then it will just become another yearly statistic like everything else.

 

I had malaria last week, (p.falciparium, the deadly one). Was gone in 3 days. I had a colleague who died, because unfortunately it came out while he was in the UK and they failed to recognise the symptoms and treat it, out here is the first thing they check for.

 

I can't think of anything worse than another great depression. People should read up it and see where the breakdown of the economy will take us. And if we were to end up like that, covid will still be with us!

 

Edit, regarding the thousands that died. Can you just spend a few minutes looking up the 2017-18 UK flu outbreak where around 50k excess deaths occurred. 

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15 hours ago, Heathrow fox said:

Interesting take and I agree with you.However we would have to live like a monk during our working lives,just so we could live like monks in our potential 50 year retirement.You simply couldn’t build up a big enough nest egg + be able to pay off mortgages have kids etc in that time scale.The entire system would have to change.

It would need a change but there has been and going to be a pretty big one in the future. I doubt the banks are going to be dishing out many 500 grand mortgages for much longer. How much are the government going to have to throw at the jobless market over the next ten years. I don’t think the reality of the situation has sunk in just yet because of the furlough.

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8 minutes ago, iniesta said:

Estimated survival rates based on European data. 

 

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You’ve also got to take into account the odds of catching it in the first place, which is about 1000-1 or 0.1%. So the chances of first catching it and then dying from it must be extremely slim.

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41 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

You’re going to let people come into work sneezing all over the place? At the moment?

Actually, it seems that it very much depends on the employer, but that wasn't your original point.

 

42 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I know the rules mate, let’s see if they are implemented 

Probably not. 

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On 10/09/2020 at 22:58, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

I'm sorry to hear that but it is clear that you were really unfortunate that you went through that, I might have had it, my gran and mum both tested positive for it back in April and I was living with them at the time so it's a fair chance I had it but showed no symptoms, either that or I was incredibly lucky not to get it. Either way I think a healthy person in their 30s isn't what the vaccine should be aimed at, vaccinate the vulnerable and the at risk and let everyone else get on with their lives is my thinking, but maybe I'm just fatigued with it all. 

The plans will be to prioritise anyway, I cannot see them vaccinating everyone.

 

But we need to be careful with categorising people, a lot of people have conditions that havent been diagnosed, there is people with out of date medical records in terms of weight etc. so it would be a very flawed approach to just do what they did with the food delivery system and categorise people solely based on their medical file.  There needs to be a more dynamic system, not one that has black lines defining in and out.  I am just over 40, and I think most people would categorise someone of my age as fairly low risk.  The NHS for a long time relies on "assumptions" a lot, and they get it wrong some times.  So one shouldnt be assumed to be at low risk and then not have the option to be vaccinated, the option needs to be there for people.

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1 minute ago, Chrysalis said:

The plans will be to prioritise anyway, I cannot see them vaccinating everyone.

 

But we need to be careful with categorising people, a lot of people have conditions that havent been diagnosed, there is people with out of date medical records in terms of weight etc. so it would be a very flawed approach to just do what they did with the food delivery system and categorise people solely based on their medical file.  There needs to be a more dynamic system, not one that has black lines defining in and out.  I am just over 40, and I think most people would categorise someone of my age as fairly low risk.  The NHS for a long time relies on "assumptions" a lot, and they get it wrong some times.  So one shouldnt be assumed to be at low risk and then not have the option to be vaccinated, the option needs to be there for people.

I guess they have to put some sort of thresholds in place though so its wont be perfect, bit like the flu jab.

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On 11/09/2020 at 16:07, String fellow said:

With the national R number now back above one, I've a sneaking suspicion that the government has looked at the latest data and is bracing itself for the possibility of the country returning to something akin to the dire state that it was in back in late March and April, despite the mitigation measures which have been introduced since then. If we do need to return to a nationwide lock-down, I hope that it'll be better policed this time, with no repeats of the Cummings nonsense, and with all four home nations having the same rules. Imo, local lock-downs are so porous that they're almost completely useless.      

I dont think its needed, the problem is though I think the actions needed are to shut down pubs/restaurants and to restrict schooling.  However these two are the hardest sell to the people, no one likes been told they cant go out for a drink, and parents have got to the point of desperation for their kids going back to school, I try to compromise and see it from the other side so my view is schooling can go on but more restricted, I think sending every kid at once was too much too soon, but instead we could have part time attendance, and the rest as homework or video conference teaching.

 

Pubs and restaurants are tougher, I think they need to be closed, but I do get that anyone who works in that industry for a living is going to be having a torrid time financially.  I think they could be opened but with more restrictions, the problem is though hospitality owners have told the government they would need to liquidate with those restrictions hence the 2m going down to a 1m rule to accommodate them.  What has particularly grinded me though is that many of these owners had no respect for the situation and have allowed their premises to be packed out with no concerns for social distancing.  Clearly there was too much trust put into the owners and needs to be heavy handed auditing going on.  I expect that is what this Marshall idea is about, but it would appear they not going to be given much respect, I think instead it should be council officials.  If they catch the place packed out, then suspend license for a month, as a strong deterrent.

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19 hours ago, SystonFox said:

Genuinely I’m not. I work in healthcare so take great pride in infection control that’s all.

 

i don’t think it would be a bad thing for it to become normal behaviour to wear a mask in public or at mass gathered events. I understand and appreciate it’s a major ball ache but the last thing I want at a gig is someone’s spittle over my watered down pint of carling in a plastic cup

Nobody does. 

 

But seriously, mask wearing any time you go outside the house, once we have (possibly) a return to normal levels of normal diseases? I.e. Covid19 either under control via medicine/vaccination or mutates to become less severe or general public gains a resilient level of immunity.

 

Genuinely, I like to see people's faces and I know so many people who say that communication is more difficult, not because a mask muffles speech, but because you can't read facial expressions.

 

For deaf people it's an absolute nightmare.

 

To think of all the furore amongst much of the public over Muslim women wearing face coverings and now some of the same people (I'm not saying you btw) want to make it permanent.

 

 

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I'm still struggling to work out why cheap face masks only protect other people from the wearer, not the wearer from other people. Surely the pressure of a sneeze or even the exhaled breath of the wearer is going to be much greater than anything coming towards him/her from the opposite direction. Therefore, isn't the virus more likely to pass outwards through or round the edges of the mask than it is to come inwards? So the wearer should be protected from other people, not the other way round!

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You shouldn’t really be sneezing into a face mask. A sneeze is part of the bodies immune system and the point of it is to help remove bacteria and virus’s from the nasal and upper respiratory system. Sticking a mask in the way is only going to make you breath the little critters back in.

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10 hours ago, String fellow said:

I'm still struggling to work out why cheap face masks only protect other people from the wearer, not the wearer from other people. Surely the pressure of a sneeze or even the exhaled breath of the wearer is going to be much greater than anything coming towards him/her from the opposite direction. Therefore, isn't the virus more likely to pass outwards through or round the edges of the mask than it is to come inwards? So the wearer should be protected from other people, not the other way round!

My understanding of this is that the main cause of transmission is infected droplets in the air caused by an infected person exhaling.  A mask reduces the amount of droplets and the distance they travel.  A sneeze, shouting or singing all result in exhalation of more droplets than regular breathing.

 

The chance of becoming ill with the virus reduces as the amount of infected droplets inhaled reduces so masks are a very useful tool in controlling the spread of infection.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, James. said:

Thinking back fondly to the days when you could drive 100 miles for a covid test.

 

As of this morning:

 

No drive through tests available

No walk through tests available

No home testing kits available

 

Shambles.

That’s what happens when you put a pop star in charge .......I quite liked her songs ......

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24 minutes ago, James. said:

Thinking back fondly to the days when you could drive 100 miles for a covid test.

 

As of this morning:

 

No drive through tests available

No walk through tests available

No home testing kits available

 

Shambles.

It's good to know, however, should lockdown be reinforced like in April/May, you can drive however far you want for an eye test ;)

 

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30 minutes ago, James. said:

Thinking back fondly to the days when you could drive 100 miles for a covid test.

 

As of this morning:

 

No drive through tests available

No walk through tests available

No home testing kits available

 

Shambles.

Don't worry, by the end of the year 10 million tests a day!

 

 

Oh, wait... This isn't the joke thread?

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