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23 minutes ago, Nod.E said:

Flawed logic. Young people still directly and indirectly come in to contact with the vulnerable and elderly. Isn't that presicely why young people were being told to be careful?

 

Likely plays a part but only adds to panic.

 

Also a factor.

 

Bottom line is we continue to damage the fabric of society because Karen from Bedford says it's outrageous we should put our families at risk, while chugging on a fag as she passes through McDonald's drive thru on her family day trip to the precinct.

We continue to damage the fabric of society (and yes, damage is happening) because most countries are of the opinion that we simply do not know enough about the properties of the virus to allay the risk that opening up entirely would end up causing much worse damage in the long term.

 

Hopefully we will get to know much more very soon and then an informed and sensible decision can be made either way - and hopefully it is soon because it's reasonably self-evident that "neither one thing or the other" isn't really working in the UK as a measure.

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I saw from MEN on Friday that part of the problem with tests is that the Pillar 2 labs have been staffed by lots of students who are now leaving to head back to uni whereas Pillar 1 labs are constrained by reagent supply. So Pillar 1 labs have the staff to expand capacity but not the stuff they need to actually execute the tests, whereas Pillar 2 labs have the stuff they need but not the staff to do it. A good system would, of course, be an integrated network. 

 

Which, because the government releases the figures P1 and P2 capacity combined, it looks like there's higher capacity, and also spare capacity, than there really is. P2 labs have little spare capacity whereas P1 labs have loads but P1 labs aren't processing P2 tests. 

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45 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

We continue to damage the fabric of society (and yes, damage is happening) because most countries are of the opinion that we simply do not know enough about the properties of the virus to allay the risk that opening up entirely would end up causing much worse damage in the long term.

 

Hopefully we will get to know much more very soon and then an informed and sensible decision can be made either way - and hopefully it is soon because it's reasonably self-evident that "neither one thing or the other" isn't really working in the UK as a measure.

We need to look closer at Sweden’s progress through the whole pandemic, at the moment they seem to be in a far better place than most of Europe.

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12 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

We need to look closer at Sweden’s progress through the whole pandemic, at the moment they seem to be in a far better place than most of Europe.

As opposed to countries like Brazil and the US that took a similarly laissez-faire approach with rather different results?

 

I mean, it's a good example, but I don't think it's an answer to the uncertainty that still exists.

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So now we can grass our neighbours up for having more than 6 people round and the police are even setting up a hotline for us to use, a) will that have a knock on effect for 999 calls when you have a burglary so in future it could take a 2 months for a police offer to turn up instead of the usual 2 weeks and b) will we get anything out of the £3200 fine or will we just have to move after the neighbours find out who grassed them up 

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1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

As opposed to countries like Brazil and the US that took a similarly laissez-faire approach with rather different results?

 

I mean, it's a good example, but I don't think it's an answer to the uncertainty that still exists.

Definitely a different demographic than Brazil and the US no doubt about that.

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6 minutes ago, MonmoreStef said:

Incredible really to think of all the measures in place and money being spent and the death rate is so low. 


I agree with Sol personally, a couple weeks and if the deaths are still this low then we should see a plan for larger loosenings of restrictions.

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7 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:


I agree with Sol personally, a couple weeks and if the deaths are still this low then we should see a plan for larger loosenings of restrictions.

Yes fingers crossed still be in single figures in two weeks time or at worse the teens then they’ll have to really look at what they are doing. 

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1 hour ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

We need to look closer at Sweden’s progress through the whole pandemic, at the moment they seem to be in a far better place than most of Europe.

The media seem to be pushing this agenda at the moment that Sweden have somehow performed well through this crisis by adopting some semblance of herd immunity both in the sense of deaths / positive cases and their economy.

 

I would suggest this is dangerously simplistic however, when you start to compare against 'similar' countries (say Norway, Denmark etc) rather than looking at the numbers stand-alone, in a literal sense.

 

When you do this they certainly do not seem to be in a far better place, in fact you could say their approach has led to pretty appalling results.

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1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said:

So now we can grass our neighbours up for having more than 6 people round and the police are even setting up a hotline for us to use, a) will that have a knock on effect for 999 calls when you have a burglary so in future it could take a 2 months for a police offer to turn up instead of the usual 2 weeks and b) will we get anything out of the £3200 fine or will we just have to move after the neighbours find out who grassed them up 

Apparently the Police will only give you a ticking off on first offence.With an encouraging word or two about following the rules in future.I bet they’re over the moon with this extra agg being added on to their work load.

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19 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

Apparently the Police will only give you a ticking off on first offence.With an encouraging word or two about following the rules in future.I bet they’re over the moon with this extra agg being added on to their work load.

I wonder how much lost revenue there is for the christmas party this year, with all the motorways being empty and everyone driving round at 50 mph because they're all depressed.

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On 12/09/2020 at 14:02, Line-X said:

I'm not with you. Sneezing and a runny nose is symptomatic of a common cold not COVID19. 

Covid has already shown twist & turns,crossed age groups,Initiator from various age groups und

We are seeing various After effects...We & Covid have Moved on....

Autumn flu, pneumonia, Lung illnesses /viruses and Common colds will be Areas where Covid could Hang onto....We just Dont know!!!

So without playing Silly buggers and know-alls.   IMO  @Col city fan  prudency is the better wise thought Process & approach....

 

Maybe the Govt,even WHO have struggled in bringing their points over & Govt buffoons have shown Lack of thought & leadership...

But the populace,the electorate After just 6 months havent shown much intelligent forethought actions or discipline....Rather leant to either ASBO egoistisch thoughts and some to egoistisch bugger you jack behaviour...!!!

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2 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Covid has already shown twist & turns,crossed age groups,Initiator from various age groups und

Es are seeing various After effects...We & Covid has Moved on....

Autumn flu, pneumonia, Lung illnesses /viruses and Common colds will be Areas where Covid could Hang onto....We just Dont know!!!

So without playing Silly buggers and know-alls.   IMO  @Col city fan  prudency is the better wise thought Process & approach....

 

Maybe the Govt,even WHO have struggled in bringing their points over & Govt buffoons have shown Lack of thought & leadership...

But the populace,the electorate After just 6 months havent shown much intelligent forethought actions or discipline....Rather leant to either ASBO egoistisch thoughts and some to egoistisch bugger you jack behaviour...!!!

Your post is as incomprehensible and unintelligible as we have become accustomed to. A shame, because earlier today you made a one in 11,992 cogent point about the treatment of Chilwell on this forum. Congratulations.

 

Give a monkey a typewriter and eventually...

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24 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Your post is as incomprehensible and unintelligible as we have become accustomed to. A shame, because earlier today you made a one in 11,992 cogent point about the treatment of Chilwell on this forum. Congratulations.

 

Give a monkey a typewriter and eventually...

Shame some cant advance....

I understand every attempt at English...Even my own....:banana:

And I Love a Monkey  on Any keyboard....

 

 

Our default use of the English language is therefore extremely creative and dynamic, rather than rule-bound, restricted, and beset by pointless and obsessive limitations, a la the Académie Française.[1]

Of some English speakers, some of whom have no inhibitions when it comes to explaining we are at fault for not following rules they have recently concocted, and others who will swear blind - to use ancient idiom - that whatever they speak is the real thing, despite it having been largely invented, often within living memory, and that it is the English who are speaking in some strange alien creole compared to, say, any random inhabitant of Paris, 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Shame some cant advance....

I understand every attempt at English...Even my own....:banana:

At least someone does, even bereft of apostrophisation.

 

Col's reply was all that was necessary - and he's probably correct, that you wouldn't really want anyone afflicted by a common cold sneezing all over the workplace with impunity right now. 

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59 minutes ago, Line-X said:

Your post is as incomprehensible and unintelligible as we have become accustomed to. A shame, because earlier today you made a one in 11,992 cogent point about the treatment of Chilwell on this forum. Congratulations.

 

Give a monkey a typewriter and eventually...

What if English isn't fuchsntf's first language, or there's another reason such as dyslexia? Doesn't matter. Everyone has a right to contribute. Even the negative naysayers on the matchday threads. 

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1 minute ago, Parafox said:

What if English isn't fuchsntf's first language, or there's another reason such as dyslexia? Doesn't matter. Everyone has a right to contribute. Even the negative naysayers on the matchday threads. 

I'd venture that having lived in Germany for so long he's actually bilingual - respect. However, if you can remotely make any sense of his sprawling rambling posts and tangential non-sequiturs, then fair play to you - I'm genuinely all ears.

 

As I said, one of the best things that he has ever contributed to this forum was today when he called out those very 'negative naysayers' as you put it, which in fairness, he can often be relied upon to do. 

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35 minutes ago, Line-X said:

At least someone does, even bereft of apostrophisation.

 

Col's reply was all that was necessary - and he's probably correct, that you wouldn't really want anyone afflicted by a common cold sneezing all over the workplace with impunity right now. 

Too true.:)

Plus we are not sure of all the various Knock-on after effects relevant to Covid,

and if the autumn seasons various illnesses/ viruses have a piggy back affect for covid..

At the moment, its shown we or better said the Medical and Virus Organisations just havent yet any clarity, and I am not being critical,its simply where we are...

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