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18 hours ago, Nod.E said:

After some preposterous modelling of likely deaths from Covid-19 by Professor Neil Ferguson and his Imperial College crew, British politicians panicked. The Swedes, led by their chief epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, didn’t. Britain and Sweden had wanted to control rather than try to eliminate the virus, letting it spread slowly through the population until a measure of general immunity was reached. We lost our nerve and Sweden was left almost alone in the world (and widely condemned: Imperial’s model predicted 85,000 deaths there; the total so far is 5,851). They proceeded with a mostly voluntary, common-sense code — schools, factories, businesses and restaurants stayed open — while we took a wrecking ball to our economy. Spain, which reacted with the fiercest lockdown, now tops the league of “second-wave” infection. Sweden is at the bottom.” – The Times

I'm in Sweden now. life as close to normal as anywhere I've seen.

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10 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

20 deaths today, 3991 new cases.

 

'The UK recorded 20 deaths of people with confirmed cases of COVID-19 today, according to government figures.'

 

Are they stll including people who have had a positive test and then died regardless of how they died in these figures?

Yep, deaths within 28 days of a positive test are counted.

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6 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

It’s already started

Headmasters shitting themselves and kids being sent home with the snuffles

Parents then having to socially isolate and completely overwhelming the test availability

It’s gonna be a long winter this one...

Not exactly their fault is it?

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51 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Yep, deaths within 28 days of a positive test are counted.

That's  why the death figures are a load of bollocks,  show us the death rate of people who actually died as a direct result of covid, of course not , as zero deaths doesn't sell papers or have the general public shitting themselves.

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46 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Not exactly their fault is it?


No it isn’t. But come on. The ‘sniffles’ aren’t a symptom of coronavirus. It’s ridiculous Stan. The reason so many school years are having to self isolate is because everything is so unclear, that the first time a teacher sees or hears a child fvcking cough, that’s it, everyone out. 
 

I don’t know the solution, but this scenario is simply unachievable, even in the short term. People will lose their jobs, homes and livelihoods because of this. 

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1 minute ago, stix said:


No it isn’t. But come on. The ‘sniffles’ aren’t a symptom of coronavirus. It’s ridiculous Stan. The reason so many school years are having to self isolate is because everything is so unclear, that the first time a teacher sees or hears a child fvcking cough, that’s it, everyone out. 
 

I don’t know the solution, but this scenario is simply unachievable, even in the short term. People will lose their jobs, homes and livelihoods because of this. 

I understand that, don't get me wrong. But with everything so unclear, you can't blame the headteachers for wanting to do what's right by their school/establishment.

 

To play devil's advocate, what if they just kept everyone there when people complaint of sniffles, and it turned out to that kid(s) had COVID and it passed to teachers, other kids, parents etc... That school will be criticised for not shutting down early to stop a potential spread :dunno:

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Just now, StanSP said:

I understand that, don't get me wrong. But with everything so unclear, you can't blame the headteachers for wanting to do what's right by their school/establishment.

 

To play devil's advocate, what if they just kept everyone there when people complaint of sniffles, and it turned out to that kid(s) had COVID and it passed to teachers, other kids, parents etc... That school will be criticised for not shutting down early to stop a potential spread :dunno:

That's incredibly unlikely given that it's not actually a symptom...

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3 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

So not sniffles then lol

Using Col's words. I doubt the school's in question have shut because of 'sniffles'. I'd like to think it's a bit more serious than that.

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9 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I understand that, don't get me wrong. But with everything so unclear, you can't blame the headteachers for wanting to do what's right by their school/establishment.

 

To play devil's advocate, what if they just kept everyone there when people complaint of sniffles, and it turned out to that kid(s) had COVID and it passed to teachers, other kids, parents etc... That school will be criticised for not shutting down early to stop a potential spread :dunno:


For me mate, if there’s a kid in a classroom that is coughing, A LOT, then that child needs to get themselves off home ASAP and be prioritised for a test. Even the track and trace could potentially be never ending. I’m self isolating now until Saturday through track and trace. But how far do you go with it, because I’ve had texts from work colleagues since asking whether they should also self isolate because I’ve been in contact with them. How far do you go?? 
 

Headteachers especially, need to have some common sense. 
 

The fact that a positive coronavirus test will be recorded as the cause of death before 28 days even if I had a heart attack after 27 days makes a mockery of this whole situation. 

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If we are to have another fake lockdown,i’d be very surprised if work places were to shut this time round.Technically factories building sites and offices should be Covid safe.So a new lockdown would be even faker than the last one.The media seem desperate to make this our WW2 moment.It really isn’t.I despair.

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1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

It’s already started

Headmasters shitting themselves and kids being sent home with the snuffles

Parents then having to socially isolate and completely overwhelming the test availability

It’s gonna be a long winter this one...

For what it's worth, a fair few academics at the institution I work at don't believe we'll get far into the term before lock downs occur

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15 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

For what it's worth, a fair few academics at the institution I work at don't believe we'll get far into the term before lock downs occur

I can understand a local lockdown in hotspot areas, targeting specific things, but a 2nd national lockdown like we had in March will do far more damage than cv19 will ever do.

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1 hour ago, StanSP said:

Yep, deaths within 28 days of a positive test are counted.

lol

 

I've mentioned this already on here but there are massive parallels between the idiocy behind this crisis and the idiocy I see day to day in my job.

 

You know ads you see on Facebook and on sites like this? Well advertisers count on site actions or sales post-exposure to an ad. That can be post click or post view. The default Facebook attribution model is 28 day click, 1 day view. That is to say, if a sale happens up to 28 days after a click or up to 24 hours after a view, it will be counted as a sale that happened 'because of' the Facebook advertising. 

 

Issue is, you can change the attribution settings to include up to 28 day view. So if anybody who 'saw' - whether or not they actually saw the ad at all - an ad on Facebook and they happen to purchase something from the advertiser's site, it will count as a conversion. And this is what many media agencies do, and marketing managers are either not switched on enough to challenge this, or are happy to turn a blind eye because it makes them look good. (Just as those in the health profession are happy to turn a blind eye because it benefits them financially.)

 

The same happens in other platforms which serve ads on the likes of this site, and it's why you get followed around with the same ads over and over and over again. It makes no logical sense but there is this blind faith in flawed numbers which exactly matches the theme of the pandemic. Does my skull in.

 

Just because a prospective customer logged in to their Instagram/Facebook account for the 15th time on a particular day and happened to be exposed to an ad (based on the fact they had already expressed an interest) and happened to (shock horror) go on to purchase, does not necessarily mean there was any influence at all between event X (ad/positive test) and event Y (purchase/death).

 

Understanding causality is nuanced and humans don't deal well with nuance. It's too complex. We can just about do correlation and that's as good as we can expect, it seems.

 

You'd think we could find a way of elevating a national response beyond what you'd expect from the average human response to complexity, but apparently that's hoping for too much. Shame.

 

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'Approximately 16,000 people may have died as a direct result of the coronavirus lockdown, new government figures show.

The shock number includes an estimated 6,000 people who did not go to A&E because they feared catching the coronavirus, and another 10,000 who died in care homes following early hospital discharges designed to free up capacity.'

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/coronavirus-death-toll-lockdown-uk-covid-19-update-a9660836.html

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1 hour ago, joachim1965 said:

That's  why the death figures are a load of bollocks,  show us the death rate of people who actually died as a direct result of covid, of course not , as zero deaths doesn't sell papers or have the general public shitting themselves.

You think that there are many people who die within four weeks of a positive covid test whose death wasn’t covid related ???
 

 

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2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

You think that there are many people who die within four weeks of a positive covid test whose death wasn’t covid related ???
 

 

yes , cancer, heart attack, stroke, car accident, etc etc etc..........

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2 minutes ago, joachim1965 said:

yes , cancer, heart attack, stroke, car accident, etc etc etc..........

You’re just listing causes of death ....the likelihood of them occurring within a few weeks of the patient being covid positive are v slim - everyone tells me that almost no one has covid .....its all youngsters that won’t be poorly .....

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8 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

You think that there are many people who die within four weeks of a positive covid test whose death wasn’t covid related ???
 

 

People can also catch it whilst ill in hospital or a care home due to an already weak immune system. Won't be huge numbers though.

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1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

You’re just listing causes of death ....the likelihood of them occurring within a few weeks of the patient being covid positive are v slim - everyone tells me that almost no one has covid .....its all youngsters that won’t be poorly .....

Your argument relies on tests being very accurate. We know they aren't. Old people in 'being likely to die' shocker.

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1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

You’re just listing causes of death ....the likelihood of them occurring within a few weeks of the patient being covid positive are v slim - everyone tells me that almost no one has covid .....its all youngsters that won’t be poorly .....

why don't they list deaths of people who actually died of covid related conditions, things that are directly attributed to covid and caused a person to die, they are the only deaths that should matter, not any cause providing a positive test was had in the previous 28 days.

 

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