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Even though I've been been vehement on here for months railing against the absurd, contradictory, arbitrary, ever changing rules/guidance/laws....I was hoping the lockdown might be more severe and as such, spike the public to 'take back control' away from this shambles

 

Treat me.like an adult and I might listen.

 

But until then,  that fat, posh, egotistical, bumbling, erratic, philandering, condescending c'nt can fack off.

 

'Heroic Leicester'. Fack off.

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29 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

If its really that bad why don't they just do a full scale lock down for a month then open things back up? If it's heading that way anyway these half baked measures will just delay the inevitable and cause so many problems that will last so much longer that it seems counter productive long term. Also a good friend of mine is having a borderline breakdown at the idea of at least 6 months more of this. I don't want a lockdown but I don't want 6+ months of all this confusing do this, do that nonsense either. If you say to people we are locking down for 1 month, now to end of October, at least businesses could plan for that, the furlough could be ramped up for one month, rather than crippling the economy for 6+ months and leaving the entire population in limbo, affecting millions of peoples mental health. Yes obviously you open up and things just go back, but wouldn't it be better to have 3 months of relative normality, with social distancing and face masks, washing hands etc, followed by 1 month of lockdown twice over a 6 month period than 6 months of fluctuating rules, which with their very half baked nature are likely to result in a full lockdown eventually anyway. 

If you shut everything down, even taking out the economic impact, that would suggest the virus is out of control and we're unable to cope. Now that might not be far from the truth anyway, but if it turned out to be way off the mark, the consternation would be massive.

 

I think, to give them some credit, that attempts now when the weather is ok and people are still out and about before winter hits is the correct move. I'm really not sure what the levels are that will mean a relaxation of the measures because you'd probably need another March-style lockdown and for longer given the weather to achieve it. I think we'll probably go for no household mixing (and hopefully, if it unfortunately comes to it, they actually tell us straight- none of this common sense bollocks) at some point with extended family being exempt.

 

There are so many factors at play here- it really isn't just people being reckless or stupid at all but they grab the headlines. It is an invisible, non-discriminatory disease and I believe the vast majority are doing their utmost to prevent it spreading. However, as we know, expecting everyone to do the right thing is Utopian thinking, plus you can catch it unwittingly. No easy answer at all.

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3 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Calls for him to ditch Vallance and Whitty today and go with a more informed scientific opinion.  The tide is shifting.

 

He says as YouGov releases a poll that says 78% of people support the new measures (17% oppose) lol

 

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1 hour ago, Nalis said:

Genuine question - why is it not considered offensive to Spaniards to call the pandemic 100 years ago 'Spanish Flu' when it didnt even start in Spain, whereas its offensive to call Covid 19 the Chinese Virus when it started in China?

 

 

The Spanish Flu got its name because back then Spain was the only country who was open about it when other countries were trying to cover it up to preserve morale during WWI.  

 

I guess it would be somehow badge of honour for Spanish that they were honest about it compared to other countries?   

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2 hours ago, FoxesDeb said:

Sadly many other people will have died today, yes. But probably not from a very highly transmittable disease which could easily have been avoided had everyone taken steps to avoid passing it on. People will always die, every day. But that doesn't mean we should just accept another cause of death and just add it to the list of causes, not when it so easily increases it's numbers every day if it is left unchecked.

But the point is we we've never been close to closing the whole country down for any other infectious disease. We need to get this into perspective.

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Anyone wondering why the virus continues to spread, its probably not too much down to people popping round a mates, or down the pub etc, its most likely summed up by what I've just seen on Facebook.

 

Someone on spotted loughborough asked this:

"Anyone else finding it difficult to get a test through the post? Neither me or my partner drive so it’s the only possible way to be tested. And there’s no tests."

 

To receive this response:

"Public transport? Taxi ? Mates.."

 

Jesus! I'm all for people trying to go about their normal lives as much as possible, but if you have symptoms, you shouldn't be getting a taxi, or a bus or a lift with a mate. What so hard to understand. No wonder its spreading if people think these activities are fine when youre showing signs of it.

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21 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

The 10pm curfew has been used across Europe isn't it? Yet people speak as though Boris has come up with idea himself. 

Has it been successful in those countries? Interesting if it's worked in Spain especially as they usually socialise much later in to the night than we do each day...

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29 minutes ago, Otis said:

But the point is we we've never been close to closing the whole country down for any other infectious disease. We need to get this into perspective.

Well, no, that wasn't the point that I responded to, the point made was that other people had died from things other than Covid who 'weren't being mentioned' .

 

In response however to your point, in my lifetime we have never faced a disease like this, one that threatens to overwhelm the NHS to the point of collapse, so that is probably why the measures being taken are unprecedented, no?

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2 hours ago, BKLFox said:

For all those that get the hump & take a comment made by a member of government personally,well don't, if you have followed the guidelines to the letter & are cleaner than clean they are not talking about you, they are talking about d1cks like this

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/09/21/shopper-smashes-two-shelves-of-wine-when-asked-to-follow-coronavirus-rules-13303639/

A candidate for the @simFox Libertarian Order of Merit perhaps?

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23 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Has it been successful in those countries? Interesting if it's worked in Spain especially as they usually socialise much later in to the night than we do each day...

Certainly be interesting to know. British booze culture obviously a bit different and I would guess the Spanish follow the rules better (or the rules are enforced better) 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Calls for him to ditch Vallance and Whitty today and go with a more informed scientific opinion.  The tide is shifting.

Honestly this is pointless. Whichever scientist stands up there and gives their opinion will be slated for either supporting the government or giving an answer people don't want to hear. Too many Facebook warriors have become biologists overnight. For sure they've made mistakes, but this pandemic is as new to them as it is us.

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Just now, foxile5 said:

People in Birmingham encouraged to get tests even if asymptomatic. 

 

Good job they weren't blaming the public taking redundant tests a few days back...

Funny thing is a big testing centre is at the univeristy. Can't wait for students to be fully back and unintentionally mixing with those getting tests. 

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Just now, UniFox21 said:

Funny thing is a big testing centre is at the univeristy. Can't wait for students to be fully back and unintentionally mixing with those getting tests. 

Shambles. 

 

Like you say, it's new to everyone

But even with the concession of that in mind it's been a lumbering ham fisted attempt at actually guiding through this. 

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1 minute ago, Heathrow fox said:

All the talk about pubs reminds me off when there was no all day drinking.Yet now it’s the tea time crowd that keep the pubs going.Twenty five years ago there was no tea time crowd as they would’ve been shut.Funny how habits change.

People realised that you could be battered by eight and in bed for a good night's kip. 

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