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5 hours ago, Babylon said:

I fully understand people thinking that perhaps we are going about things the wrong way. Attempting to shield the vulnerable and give care homes / NHS everything they need to support keeping them isolated seems a fairly reasonable idea / question to post. I'd like to get a response from the government as to why that's not viable, we seemed to be edging that way opening everything up. 

 

My original thought on that was that it would be hard to keep it out of care homes. But, we've not done a bad job of that recently as deaths have plummeted. Is that due to the precautions in place, or is that because the virus isn't fully out there again and when it is, is it just a matter of time before it gets into them again. 

 

But, we aren't doing that and we aren't close to implementing that sort of things. So until we are, take all the precautions that are being asked. I'm going to break a few rules, but I'm also very very cautious when doing so. I can't stop going to see my mum, she's all alone and I can't follow the "bubble" guidelines as my mrs is in the same position and needs to look after her Dad. 

 

So I see her in the garden and sit nowhere near her, drop her shopping off etc. What I don't do is have 20 people round my house having a party, like half of the people on social media seem to happily post pictures of. There is bending and breaking a few rules, which is what the government will expect and they understand. Then there is taking a great big sledgehammer to them and taking the piss. 

Thats Really the point isnt it....Looking after your own,while being prudent to pandemic cares,at

  still following and serving  the main stay social needs to the situation.

And get off,the egoist argumentative,blame kick....just to make for oneself  ones own ASBO excuses...

Whether the Govt. is right or wrong, we ( the normal public)have to be mature enough to recognise and accept, our Covid-life sitiation,

even if our political leaders are incompetent to relay the honest relevant information or project the problematic.

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3 hours ago, Shram said:

ummm.... that implies solely on there being a vaccine.. what if there isn't one?

Then you carry on trying to live as much a normal life as possible, trying to gain herd immunity (if we can), but under some form of control so things don't spiral. 

 

Which is really exactly what we're doing isn't it. 

 

 

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44 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Then you carry on trying to live as much a normal life as possible, trying to gain herd immunity (if we can), but under some form of control so things don't spiral. 

 

Which is really exactly what we're doing isn't it. 

 

 

There WILL. be a vaccine

It’s in the interest of the pharmaceutical companies so there will be one

I’d suspect it won’t be too long coming either

Right now I think is the time to be sensible, go with the restrictions, think, wash your hands, wear your masks and when the vaccine shows up a semblance of normalcy will ensue going into the future 

 

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1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

There WILL. be a vaccine

It’s in the interest of the pharmaceutical companies so there will be one

I’d suspect it won’t be too long coming either

 

Also better treatments I’d think. A vaccine hasn’t been found for HIV, but it is nowhere near as deadly as it used to be.

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21 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

You will never stop this, it'd be foolish to think you will.

Outside our local Mc Donalds , there's tons of kids socialising most evenings, my local pub, there's maybe 20 people, all sat in seperate groups. You've got to be blind to not see where the problems lie.

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Youngest came from school with a temp yesterday been ok other than that a bit warm again now after being ok all day. Means self isolating for the other 2 and me and the Mrs until his test come through. Luckily managed to get one to come tomorrow but doubt get any results before Sunday now. 

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1 hour ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Also better treatments I’d think. A vaccine hasn’t been found for HIV, but it is nowhere near as deadly as it used to be.

The biggest difference is HIV is a long term, chronic illness. You need continuous treatment, which obviously pharma companies make more money from. There is a genetic treatment that has proven effective I believe. Amongst other things HIV is more difficult to treat as it inserts itself into your genome and can't be recognised as foreign by your body. This article has some interesting info on it all if you're at all interested. 

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5 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

I don't think the government has any plans at all for what happens if there isn't a vaccine.  Plan A vaccine.  Plan B - run around like headless chickens and locking everyone down because they want to be seen to do something even if they know it doesn't work.

 

Doctors' surgeries have been basically closed for 6 months.  All sorts of life ruining conditions (eg. dodgy hips) and some life threatening conditions have been untreated for 6 months.  Sooner of later the policy of saving 50,000 lives at the expense of killing 49,000 others, putting 2 million out of work, and advancing the onset of dementia in hundreds of thousands, is going to seem counter-productive.

 

Here's a novel idea.  Protect the vulnerable, but let the rest of us carry on.

Replace with “The World” minus maybe Belarus who continue to sit in hot tubs and drink Vodka

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2 hours ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Also better treatments I’d think. A vaccine hasn’t been found for HIV, but it is nowhere near as deadly as it used to be.

This is key. We could cope without a vaccine if we developed treatments that effectively reduced the severity of the virus. After all flu vaccines are only around 60-70% effective. A vaccine is likely but may not be especially effective and might require several doses per person per year. Right now it is all about buying time.

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4 hours ago, foxile5 said:

It's bare-ass lying. Like with the other poster who pointed out they claimed to adapt a model they clearly didn't.

 

The government has become accustomed to just lying to the public openly, not even bothering to try and hide it. Such is the way they view us.

 

I respect a lot of posters on here greatly but there are some stooges who would allow the government to call the sky green and get away with it because 'they're working bloody hard and that Boris is alright, ent he? He's my mate.'

some would definitely believe that 2 + 2 = 5.

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9 hours ago, Babylon said:

Came home early from work one day and found someone parked in my drive. They said "I always park here". lol

What would be your rights to block them in? And did you? Cos I'd have been very tempted to...

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