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58 minutes ago, rachhere said:

 

Oh no! I know I am a wimp but I really don't want a test. I have serious issues with my nose and get nosebleeds so easily, this isn't going to end well if we have to do the same! 

Not sure how I'd feel actually having one, but I like how the university is offering them to students/staff. Given we have a testing facility on site as well.  

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41 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Not sure how I'd feel actually having one, but I like how the university is offering them to students/staff. Given we have a testing facility on site as well.  

Yeah it's a good thing. I will just have to man up...! 

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A couple of early indicators that the rate of infection may be slowing. Only 4044 positive cases today, with a lower positive % although that's not the most accurate indicator.

 

This thread also indicates that things may be slowing down a bit too 

 

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Clearly not a second wave.

 

The outcome will be the govt pinning this decrease on the restrictions put into place however.  Having just witnessed crowds in York after 10pm acting like a bunch of numpties it is difficult to see the positives from shutting down early at 10pm.  On the face of it, the bad outweighs the good here.

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11 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Leicester uni is testing all staff and students to make sure everyone is with a positive case is identified. Great plan and at least makes students/staff/parents more at ease and confident about going to work/study. Think this should be standard amongst Univeristies now, ensures safety of both staff and students. 

 

Presumably this in house rather than nhs, so over what time are they claiming to test everyone?

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5 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

No clue, just from what I've seen on the news and told by a relative studying there. 

Ah. I mean, it sounds good. But I bet it is test everyone over a period of weeks, which then rather lessens the effectiveness of it. You need to at prem league levels of testing every few days for it to be useful, and no way can unis afford that level of spending- especially this year.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-54331421

 

You can't even go for a meal or have a beer with a mate or two? Bonkers.

 

58 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Clearly not a second wave.

 

The outcome will be the govt pinning this decrease on the restrictions put into place however.  Having just witnessed crowds in York after 10pm acting like a bunch of numpties it is difficult to see the positives from shutting down early at 10pm.  On the face of it, the bad outweighs the good here.

Yeah plenty of people I were speaking to on Saturday were going back to someones kitchen at 10pm, they were all getting into taxis in groups. We had to wait 30 minutes for a cab to become available.

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12 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Leicester uni is testing all staff and students to make sure everyone is with a positive case is identified. Great plan and at least makes students/staff/parents more at ease and confident about going to work/study. Think this should be standard amongst Univeristies now, ensures safety of both staff and students. 

 

 

A one off or regularly?

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There's long been the argument of Covid deaths vs deaths/ill health as a result of lockdown & wrecked economy - surely now the death rate is so low (be it that steroid helping patients in intensive care, the virus mutating to a less deadly form etc), the scales have been tipped. I can't see how further lockdown is beneficial on the whole.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08ssngh

Not usually a fan of salacious gossip or click bait, but this is pretty sad. A girl who is high risk in the locked down Manchester uni halls saying it was a big party and people were knocking on all the doors telling people they have corona and want to give it to them. I hope the people who did it get kicked out of the uni,

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Peru seems like quite an interesting country in all this.

 

Apart from the small city states, it's the country with the highest % of its population which have been confirmed to have it and the highest % of its population of deaths.

 

Cases are slowly starting to die down their now from their initial wave, it will be interesting to see if they get a 2nd wave as they seem like the country most likely to have the highest amount of herd immunity.

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Has anyone ever heard of a workable idea to effectively shield the vulnerable, that doesnt involve keeping the case rate in the rest of the population down too? I see the idea mentioned a lot, but never much detail on how it would actually be done in practice 

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20 minutes ago, Fktf said:

Has anyone ever heard of a workable idea to effectively shield the vulnerable, that doesnt involve keeping the case rate in the rest of the population down too? I see the idea mentioned a lot, but never much detail on how it would actually be done in practice 

Keep them at home where possible, visitors to their homes to wear shields, benefits to keep them away from the work place. 
 

Isolate them as much as possible. 

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29 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Peru seems like quite an interesting country in all this.

 

Apart from the small city states, it's the country with the highest % of its population which have been confirmed to have it and the highest % of its population of deaths.

 

Cases are slowly starting to die down their now from their initial wave, it will be interesting to see if they get a 2nd wave as they seem like the country most likely to have the highest amount of herd immunity.

If you take Sweden a lot of the initial deaths were in care homes where they have larger amounts of elderly in these places compared to other countries. So it swept through the care homes taking many lives. Now you see not many deaths as the vulnerable have been taken.

 

I would imagine Peru is similar as in the vulnerable have passed on, leaving the healthier ones to catch it who have a better survival chance.

 

You can’t die twice, so I would think in Sweden and Peru the death figures will be minimal going forward. 
 

I did read that there was a lower than normal flu season last year, so there was a large amount of vulnerable ready to pass on, but now they have gone figures won’t be as bad going forward. Lots of cases, but nowhere near as many deaths.

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11 minutes ago, Rob1742 said:

If you take Sweden a lot of the initial deaths were in care homes where they have larger amounts of elderly in these places compared to other countries. So it swept through the care homes taking many lives. Now you see not many deaths as the vulnerable have been taken.

 

I would imagine Peru is similar as in the vulnerable have passed on, leaving the healthier ones to catch it who have a better survival chance.

 

You can’t die twice, so I would think in Sweden and Peru the death figures will be minimal going forward. 
 

I did read that there was a lower than normal flu season last year, so there was a large amount of vulnerable ready to pass on, but now they have gone figures won’t be as bad going forward. Lots of cases, but nowhere near as many deaths.

You're making a lot of assumptions there though. We don't know what it will look like going forward through the winter.

 

Peru is in the southern hemisphere but it's near enough to the equator that its seasons aren't huge but even so they're coming out of their winter.

 

As someone who spent a lot of time in Sweden for an old job I know how long and harsh the winters are there and that hasn't even begun yet - though their winters start earlier and you can often start seeing snow in the big 3 Southern cities in mid-late October - it's way too early to say they've escaped any kind of 2nd wave there. Make that point in April once they start hitting their spring.

 

I'm just interested to see what happens going forward eirher way and Peru seems like one of the most interesting countries to look at (as well as Sweden).

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57 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Peru seems like quite an interesting country in all this.

 

Apart from the small city states, it's the country with the highest % of its population which have been confirmed to have it and the highest % of its population of deaths.

 

Cases are slowly starting to die down their now from their initial wave, it will be interesting to see if they get a 2nd wave as they seem like the country most likely to have the highest amount of herd immunity.

Peru had the strictest lockdown of all which lasted until June when everyone was running out of money and so they had to ease it.  That was when their cases really took off.

 

It's ironic that Brazil next door, with a loon President who decreed that coronavirus doesn't exist and there was no need for restrictions at all, has a much lower death rate than Peru.  (All countries have a much lower death rate than Peru)

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16 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

Leicester uni is testing all staff and students to make sure everyone is with a positive case is identified. Great plan and at least makes students/staff/parents more at ease and confident about going to work/study. Think this should be standard amongst Univeristies now, ensures safety of both staff and students. 

 

They would do more to ensure the safety of students by banning alcohol.  So far this year there have been 34 people aged between 15 and 24 who have died with coronavirus, and I doubt that many of those dies of coronavirus alone.  There are no doubt valid reasons for testing everybody, but safety of students isn't the reason.

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47 minutes ago, Rob1742 said:

Keep them at home where possible, visitors to their homes to wear shields, benefits to keep them away from the work place. 
 

Isolate them as much as possible. 

Sounds simple, but I bet it isn't so easy to protect them. What about their family members? Are they going out to work still 

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7 hours ago, Fktf said:

Sounds simple, but I bet it isn't so easy to protect them. What about their family members? Are they going out to work still 

Every situation is hard, but at the moment virtually every person is having restrictions put on them. So I suppose the caveat isolate “where possible” could be mentioned.

 

An example to help could be you give financial support to help those near retirement so they can retire early and stay at home.

 

This sort of thing is hard to monitor, but you have a better chance of getting the funds to the right people, rather than now where ALL businesses could just ask for £50,000 and get it the next day.

 

This highlights my point really. We are having to give help to the whole population whereas we really should just look at those most at risk. It’s a much smaller number so much easier to get a handle on, much easier to monitor. 
 

It wouldn’t be easy, but the amount of people bragging about getting £50k free from the government that they won’t pay back shows how scattergun our approach is. We are trying to do something for 67m people all with different situations going on, rather than looking at who is at risk. That number will be tiny in comparison and can be targeted much easier and with much less cost.

 

How much has been spent on these business “loans” and furlough. Pretty sure you could have just put in social distancing and helped the vulnerable financially to stay at home and we would be better off. 
 

Yes mixed households are an issue, but maybe then help out the households even to stay at home? Everything comes with an issue but if 95% of the population can carry on and keep the economy and lives moving forward until a vaccine is found, it’s better than ruining huge amounts of people’s lives for a very very long time

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