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2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

I have the app, you can turn the Bluetooth off and therefore you won't get the notifications when you're out and about. Depends where you wanna go and have the app functioning/bluetooth turned on at the same time. 

 

It's still up to you if you wanna isolate should you be out and about after getting prompted you could be exposed to it :dunno:.

 

Just a way of being cautious and then you can take your own precautions even more so wherever you are. 

I don’t need to isolate because that webpage is saying I haven’t been exposed at all, and that it’s just a default message sent to remind you the app is still working. I think we might be talking about different things here. Main thing is if it’s a default message they should possibly reword it. 

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6 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

I had this morning. However every single place I checked in, I did it with someone else. I asked everyone else and no one else had a notification. 
 

I see there’s no change in patterns but the increase in hospitalisations is getting worrying 

There’s loads of confused people, judging by Twitter. I was especially confused as I haven’t really been anywhere! 

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Whitty said ICU admissions are heading the wrong way, which is true based on the following. 

 

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Is there a repository of data somewhere? Would be interested in comparing what we’re seeing now to March/ April time.

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18 hours ago, RowlattsFox said:

I have sympathy for students at the minute but they don't help themselves do they, pretty sure there are similar scenes within the halls at other universities too. Problem is I'd probably have been the same at that age. They just don't particularly care. 

 

The only way they'd have stopped this happening is to not open halls in the first place, but there was too much money to be had to do that.

I have sympathy for them for sure. I think this is a tad harsh however, most students I've encountered at work have followed rules and guidelines down to the letter. There'll always be some who let the side down, but that isn't a fair representation of others. 

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19 hours ago, Innovindil said:

My optimism is alas, wearing thin. Reckon I'm gonna pack up, go work in a coffee shop, and constantly complain that life sucks.

 

Least I'll get a free pass to PAAAAAAARTAAAAAYYYY. And free coffee ofcourse. :thumbup:

That sounds like a good idea, working a physically demanding job and having to deal with the general public all day might knock some of that ignorance out of you.  And you'll get the free coffee :thumbup:

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24 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

That sounds like a good idea, working a physically demanding job and having to deal with the general public all day might knock some of that ignorance out of you.  And you'll get the free coffee :thumbup:

You think I was born an engineer? 

 

I've worked in fast food both as a burger flipper and manager and at argos as a manual labour picker/forklift driver and goods in/out. 

 

Paying for your own apprenticeship isn't easy. 

 

I've long since had the ignorance knocked out of me, that's why I actually wanted to do something with my life. :thumbup:

 

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1 minute ago, Innovindil said:

You think I was born an engineer? 

 

I've worked in fast food both as a burger flipper and manager and at argos as a manual labour picker/forklift driver and goods in/out. 

 

Paying for your own apprenticeship isn't easy. 

 

I've long since had the ignorance knocked out of me, that's why I actually wanted to do something with my life. :thumbup:

 

If that something was using lazy cliches to mock the young and the poor on a football forum then I guess congratulations are in order. :thumbup:

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Just now, Carl the Llama said:

If that something was using lazy cliches to mock the young and the poor on a football forum then I guess congratulations are in order. :thumbup:

Nah that something was to get enough skills to be worth more than someone who has the skill set of a Costa coffee machine at the petrol station, but thanks for the congratulations. Think I deserve it for beating this evil youth destroying system and giving it to "the man". :D

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Way I see it, pretty much everyone on here who talks about the topic is statistically (that is to say, a little run of bad circumstances, like this pandemic for instance) closer to destitution than they are to the "aspirational" objectives that many seek to reach and a lot of it relies on luck so some humility might not be amiss, but hey.

 

Anyhow, on topic, Korea steadily getting on top of the mini-outbreak that happened a few weeks back - almost back to daily case numbers approaching what it was like before it happened.

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9 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Way I see it, pretty much everyone on here who talks about the topic is statistically (that is to say, a little run of bad circumstances, like this pandemic for instance) closer to destitution than they are to the "aspirational" objectives that many seek to reach and a lot of it relies on luck so some humility might not be amiss, but hey.

 

Anyhow, on topic, Korea steadily getting on top of the mini-outbreak that happened a few weeks back - almost back to daily case numbers approaching what it was like before it happened.

Humility flies out of the window with me when somebody assumes I've had it easy and I'm ignorant of what it's like to work a minimum wage job. 

 

You'll see I've made no assumptions over Carl or what he's been through or what he's capable of. For all I know he has 2 fingers and no legs and pouring coffee was all he was physically able to do, not judging him based on that at all. 

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4 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Humility flies out of the window with me when somebody assumes I've had it easy and I'm ignorant of what it's like to work a minimum wage job. 

 

You'll see I've made no assumptions over Carl or what he's been through or what he's capable of. For all I know he has 2 fingers and no legs and pouring coffee was all he was physically able to do, not judging him based on that at all. 

Given the stance you showed towards baristas and students, I can see where Carl jumped to that conclusion (as unfounded as it turned out to be), though - unfortunately there is rather a lot of judgement of folks in what are judged as "lesser" jobs by folks who have never really seen that side, but I guess that's always been the case.

 

Bring on enough automation for a UBI and people can work as they choose IMO (as unlikely as the powers that be would be OK with that) - but again, topic for another thread.

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23 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

I've made no assumptions over Carl. For all I know he has 2 fingers and no legs 

So you DO know him :D
 

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1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Way I see it, pretty much everyone on here who talks about the topic is statistically (that is to say, a little run of bad circumstances, like this pandemic for instance) closer to destitution than they are to the "aspirational" objectives that many seek to reach and a lot of it relies on luck so some humility might not be amiss, but hey.

 

Anyhow, on topic, Korea steadily getting on top of the mini-outbreak that happened a few weeks back - almost back to daily case numbers approaching what it was like before it happened.

Glad to hear that. Not sure if I’ve asked you this before, but has South Korea pretty much shut its borders to travellers like Australia has? We are only allowing returning travellers back in, and they have to quarantine in a hotel for 14 days. Goods are flowing freely in and out of ports.

 

A bit like your outbreak, we had one in Victoria with positive tests getting up to over 700 per day, but after a fairly hard lockdown (only in Victoria), positive tests are now down to ~ 10 per day, offering some proof that lockdowns do work at least in some circumstances. Hopefully we don’t have any more bungles.

 

Life is mostly back to normal here, especially where I am in WA, at least for the moment. The risk is that if any infected people do get in it could spread quickly, hence the caution. This means that the economy is pretty much fully open except for the travel industry, and even that is offset to some extent by Aussies only being able to take holidays locally.

 

Obviously a significant amount of economic damage has already been done and we have much higher unemployment than before, but at least so far we’ve probably got off quite lightly compared with most other countries.

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51 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Humility flies out of the window with me when somebody assumes I've had it easy and I'm ignorant of what it's like to work a minimum wage job. 

 

You'll see I've made no assumptions over Carl or what he's been through or what he's capable of. For all I know he has 2 fingers and no legs and pouring coffee was all he was physically able to do, not judging him based on that at all. 

Sorry but if you've really worked with these people then there's even less excuse for your attitude, it's worse than ignorance if you claim to be familiar with the environment and the people who work in it.  FWIW I'm salaried, not on minimum wage hour-to-hour, but I was and I manage a bunch who are and your suggestion that there's something wrong with those people is gross.  Some of them are students funding their studies like you were, some of them are slightly older people looking for an extra revenue source for their family, some of them are slightly older people looking to switch careers (how I started in the business), some of them took the job because they're desperate for work and they'll take anything, and there's lots more reasons someone might end up in this line of work besides.  Whatever the reason, they're all just as hard working as you see yourself, they wouldn't last beyond the trial if not. They're reason they're not sitting at the desk next to you right now isn't just because they didn't work hard enough, they're just not at that point in their life yet and they don't deserve your disrespect for that. On top of it all right now they are all under the very real double pressure of working in a role requiring engagement with potentially infectious members of the public all day while moderating their tantrums over mask wearing or only taking card payments while the same virus threatens the security of their job in the first place.

 

But do go on about how they must all be disabled to be working minimum wage.

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42 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Given the stance you showed towards baristas and students, I can see where Carl jumped to that conclusion (as unfounded as it turned out to be), though - unfortunately there is rather a lot of judgement of folks in what are judged as "lesser" jobs by folks who have never really seen that side, but I guess that's always been the case.

 

Bring on enough automation for a UBI and people can work as they choose IMO (as unlikely as the powers that be would be OK with that) - but again, topic for another thread.

Think my stance on students was fair enough, I'm not judging all young people, just the ones partying that people are trying to make excuses for. Just like I wouldn't let excuses slide for some 30 year old chav party going on. Or dorris and her ilk getting their swing on. 

 

We wouldn't be accepting, or even tilting to the "well I don't agree with it but I get it" angle for anyone else. I imagine there's plenty of middle ages folk worried about the climate, or the economy, or the big bad evil man. Would we "get it" for them? Course not. 

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13 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Glad to hear that. Not sure if I’ve asked you this before, but has South Korea pretty much shut its borders to travellers like Australia has? We are only allowing returning travellers back in, and they have to quarantine in a hotel for 14 days. Goods are flowing freely in and out of ports.

 

A bit like your outbreak, we had one in Victoria with positive tests getting up to over 700 per day, but after a fairly hard lockdown (only in Victoria), positive tests are now down to ~ 10 per day, offering some proof that lockdowns do work at least in some circumstances. Hopefully we don’t have any more bungles.

 

Life is mostly back to normal here, especially where I am in WA, at least for the moment. The risk is that if any infected people do get in it could spread quickly, hence the caution. This means that the economy is pretty much fully open except for the travel industry, and that is offset to some extent by Aussies only being able to take holidays locally.

 

Obviously a significant amount of economic damage has already been done and we have much higher unemployment than before, but at least so far we’ve probably got off quite lightly compared with most other countries.

They haven't shut their borders so people can come in, but anyone coming in - Korean or otherwise - has to stay in a quarantine facility (or in case of resident in their own home after taking designated transportation there) for 14 days and get two negative tests before being given the OK.

 

Lockdowns, for me, work when they're well-targetted and you don't have that many cases to deal with anyway. Korea have been superb at dealing with the localised outbreaks as they happen and thus keeping the number down from the start.

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Genuinely think they're trying to slowly put the whole country into lockdown. The north's basically been covered. It'll be the midlands and south west by November. Then the south east and south coast. Then maybe London for a week or two.

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7 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Think my stance on students was fair enough, I'm not judging all young people, just the ones partying that people are trying to make excuses for. Just like I wouldn't let excuses slide for some 30 year old chav party going on. Or dorris and her ilk getting their swing on. 

 

We wouldn't be accepting, or even tilting to the "well I don't agree with it but I get it" angle for anyone else. I imagine there's plenty of middle ages folk worried about the climate, or the economy, or the big bad evil man. Would we "get it" for them? Course not. 

Not sure if I'm getting your point totally in the second paragraph, but if I am, IMO unfortunately there is a lot of "I get it" towards the climate and autocrats in particular, which is exactly why too little is being done on the former and too many of the latter are in power.

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3 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

Sorry but if you've really worked with these people then there's even less excuse for your attitude, it's worse than ignorance if you claim to be familiar with the environment and the people who work in it.  FWIW I'm salaried, not on minimum wage hour-to-hour, but I was and I manage a bunch who are and your suggestion that there's something wrong with those people is gross.  Some of them are students funding their studies like you were, some of them are slightly older people looking for an extra revenue source for their family, some of them are slightly older people looking to switch careers (how I started in the business), some of them took the job because they're desperate for work and they'll take anything, and there's lots more reasons someone might end up in this line of work besides.  Whatever the reason, they're all just as hard working as you see yourself, they wouldn't last beyond the trial if not. They're reason they're not sitting at the desk next to you right now isn't just because they didn't work hard enough, they're just not at that point in their life yet and they don't deserve your disrespect for that. On top of it all right now they are all under the very real double pressure of working in a role requiring engagement with potentially infectious members of the public all day while moderating their tantrums over mask wearing or only taking card payments while the same virus threatens the security of their job in the first place.

 

But do go on about how they must all be disabled to be working minimum wage.

Amazing. You've managed to put words into my mouth again. Where did I say they must all be disabled to be working minimum wage? I didn't. My brother works minimum wage, he's not disabled, just has the life drive of a snail. And before you try and put words into my mouth, or fingers again, that does not mean I think every person has the life drive of a snail. Merely a singular example. 

 

And like I said, I've worked these jobs. Students are supposed to work them, that's why every time you stroll into a mcdonalds, the average age of staff is around 18. The only people older are those working part time or in management roles which actually pay fairly decent when you climb above shift manager. 

 

However, the fact your using things like "they're just not at that point in their life yet" is a testament that you yourself see these jobs just like I do, merely stepping stone jobs and not suitable for a long term career. 

 

P. S. Never once did I say these people didn't work hard. I've only ever suggested that pretty much any chimp can pour a coffee, which is true enough. Not sure why it causes your jimmies to be rustled. 

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4 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Not sure if I'm getting your point totally in the second paragraph, but if I am, IMO unfortunately there is a lot of "I get it" towards the climate and autocrats in particular, which is exactly why too little is being done on the former and too many of the latter are in power.

I'm trying to say if any other age group was acting irresponsible towards covid by having parties and the like we wouldn't be trying to make excuses based on life issues for them, even though they too might be worried about climate issues and the economy etc etc... 

 

Muh Engrish skills sadly lack for nuace. 

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