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1 hour ago, Costock_Fox said:

Honestly, people would then need to have another way to show the public why they are exempt from wearing an official card around their necks to say they are exempt from wearing a mask.

But they wouldn’t ..... it would just highlight those who aren’t wearing for non medical/mental issue reasons and we can all tut at them ! 

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2 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

But groups of around 10 mums literally rubbing shoulders is ok? 

Tbh i stand at junior football and it's bone of the few pleasures left in life where there's normal human behaviour. Unless it's face to face breathing on each other (unlikely) it's entirely safe

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2 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Tbh i stand at junior football and it's bone of the few pleasures left in life where there's normal human behaviour. Unless it's face to face breathing on each other (unlikely) it's entirely safe

Sorry, but all it takes is one person with no symptoms and this is exactly why we're in the shit situation we are.

 

When will people learn to listen to the advice?

 

The selfish few are costing us.

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28 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

I disagree.

 

Their decision is purely based on economics.

 

 

A note from their GP would suffice.

 

 

Not in my experience.

 

The maskless ones appear more 'Trumpian' in their righteous indignation, by the day.

 

The social divide feels almost as polorised as it was over Brexit.

I don’t think a spotty 17 year old checkout assistants decision is based on economics but rather there isn’t an objective way to verify medical exemption.


If it’s store policy to not enforce mask wearing there’s an argument to be made that it’s based on economics but even so I don’t think it should fall to shop owners to enforce the law without a government backed approach to how to do it. Hence the onus is on the government not the shopkeepers imo.
 

I think the practicality of asking the medicaly exempt to obtain a note from their GP is underestimated here and would penalise innocents rather than those fraudulently claiming  they’re exempt. There’s possibly some merit to what others have suggested regarding a one size fits all mask exemption card. 
 

Until anything like that is imposed by the government, I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect shop owners to be kicking out anyone not wearing a mask though. Challenge it yes but not deny custom.


Agree with the last point about ardent mask advocates/deniers although I don’t see this issue being based on peoples political compasses but rather based on intelligence or lack thereof. 

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21 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

I'm not one of the intelligent ones who can dig out references....but I've read and heard multiple times that outdoors transmission is ultra difficult. 

 

Perhaps someone less lazy than me can dig out a relevant report.

 

As for selfish, I reckon I've reduced my contact with other members of the public 100 fold. No office colleagues now. No train trips once a week. No football. Pubs and nights out are rare. I've lost 2 flights this year. I don't see my mum and dad indoors. I do my bit, pal.

I think the chances of outdoors transmission changes with the seasons and weather conditions 

 

we know that the virus struggles to survive for any length of time in strong sunlight - and perhaps cold and still conditions in autumn/winter may well provide a reasonable transmission opportunity outdoors ..... the summer also saw little opportunity for outdoors transmission as there wasn’t much of it around anyway!  I believe we will see face coverings required outside within a few weeks in response to this increased risk - possible dependant on weather conditions. 

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1 hour ago, Paninistickers said:

Tbh i stand at junior football and it's bone of the few pleasures left in life where there's normal human behaviour. Unless it's face to face breathing on each other (unlikely) it's entirely safe

I’ve been going to a few Saturday non league games, couple of mates and a few cans, good laugh. Cup game this week, shilton v ellistown, support local football.

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34 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I think the chances of outdoors transmission changes with the seasons and weather conditions 

 

we know that the virus struggles to survive for any length of time in strong sunlight - and perhaps cold and still conditions in autumn/winter may well provide a reasonable transmission opportunity outdoors ..... the summer also saw little opportunity for outdoors transmission as there wasn’t much of it around anyway!  I believe we will see face coverings required outside within a few weeks in response to this increased risk - possible dependant on weather conditions. 

There’s also a fairly good chance the wind will blow it away.

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3 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

Hooking this up also  to.. "Has anyone booked  a Holiday yet"

 

If I had  a decent even low budget..No Real ties....no matter what age..!! Reasonably fit....

I would Chose an Holiday Island or group thereof.

Pack my Backpack...Jump on a plane, no plans, & Stay away for 4-8 months...

Go on the coast,go inland Pick up the Local lingo , be open, be prudent but with a bit of Devil may-care attitude,towards where your are,and where you might

Jump Off to...

I’m on Gran Canaria (apologies if I’ve mentioned it before) everyone where’s a mask, and it’s fantastic, although really quiet which I can only assume makes it far safer than back home. 

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1 hour ago, tom27111 said:

Sorry, but all it takes is one person with no symptoms and this is exactly why we're in the shit situation we are.

 

When will people learn to listen to the advice?

 

The selfish few are costing us.

You’re spot on Tom and especially about those bloody mothers and kids rubbing shoulders in school playgrounds. How many of them were maintaining the 2m rule I wonder? People who think being outside at close proximity to others, will you ever learn?

 

This is from patient.com:

 

Viral transmission is still possible outdoors, particularly if you're in close proximity with a lot of people. You want to avoid crowds as much as you possibly can.

And while it's tempting to hug a friend or family member outdoors, for the moment you need to resist and stay at least two metres apart during the meeting. The further away you are from a person, the lower the risk of transmitting the virus. And don't share food, drinks or utensils with anyone from outside your household.

 

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2 hours ago, Benguin said:

I think the practicality of asking the medicaly exempt to obtain a note from their GP is underestimated here and would penalise innocents rather than those fraudulently claiming  they’re exempt. There’s possibly some merit to what others have suggested regarding a one size fits all mask exemption card. 

You're certainly right there.  Someone who is already recoreded as having severe asthma can presumably get a note from the practice nurse.  (Doctors, at least where I live, being out of reach.)  But what about people with some form of mild lung issue that makes them pant for breath with a mask on?  (Don't believe those people who claim a mask makes no difference at all.  Why would your glasses steam up if air was passing through unhindered?)  So someone who has no problems worth a doctor's concern in normal conditions but can't wear a mask needs to get a doctor's note.

 

So they ring the practice nurse and explain their symptoms.  The practice nurse passes the records to the doctor, who if he is feeling generous will ring back and carry out an examination over the phone.  Which is no examination of course,because stethoscopes don't work well on the phone.  And the doctor then has to decide either to bring you in for a face to face examination, which they are avoiding at any price, or else think "what the heck" and issue the certificate anyway.

 

So the enthusiastic system-dodger gets his certificate while the long suffering pensioner hasn't the energy to go through with it.

 

Incidentally, lip readers' companions are also exempt.  And not all lip readers are registered deaf.  Would the "one size fits all mask exemption card" have a marking that indicates I don't have to wear a mask when I'm with my mother but I do have to when I'm not?  ;)

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Whether you’re a conspiracy theorist, someone who thinks it only affects a bunch of old coffin dodgers, a strident libertarian who thinks your right to do as you please trumps everyone else’s right to go about their business in safety, or just an ordinary person trying to make sense of it all, this is probably the chart to keep an eye on.

 

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/healthcare

 

Will hospital admissions take off again like they did last time? Who knows, but please don’t say there is nothing of concern.

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19 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

To be perfectly honest, i don't know, but it opens a can of worms regarding areas having to lockdown and then the people in that area complaining about the lockdown. There does seem to be some the start of people actively going against lockdowns, the fining of that gym in liverpool and then 20 odd grand being donated to pay the fine plus that comedy club in the same city announcing they'll donate proceeds from their gigs to help keep gyms open. 

Does it not occur to you that maybe places are being locked down for no good reason and absolutely zero scientific evidence? 

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10 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

That’s true, I was thinking you meant across different countries as that wouldn’t be that easy.

 You also see in " has anybody booked an Holiday yet"... People going to Greece +( islands) and other destinations...

So my suggestion was for those who could afford the time,on a tight budget, Why Not get lost for a few months....

Depends obviously on flights and First Stage restrictions....Plus  prudency with Health certificates....

2 friends,(seperately)from Germany went Off to Madiera, One until March, and the other until Middle of January....They went in September...

One is taking Pot luck,the other booked simple Local BBs to start with....

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10 hours ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

I’m on Gran Canaria (apologies if I’ve mentioned it before) everyone where’s a mask, and it’s fantastic, although really quiet which I can only assume makes it far safer than back home. 

Gud on ya..!!! how long for???

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If the government and people in general are really serious about getting infections down then they need to do something about schools and universities. It is clear as day that it has been there reopening that has driven the huge spike in infections (although deaths remain incredibly low by comparison).

You can moan about the odd person not wearing their mask, want it mandatory outdoors and think that a tier 3 lockdown on hospitality is a good move but its mere windowdressing if you're not going to deal with the main cause of infections.

Students are still gonna be cooped up in halls and terrace housing and little johnny is still gonna be clambering and dribbling over his mates.

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12 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

If the government and people in general are really serious about getting infections down then they need to do something about schools and universities. It is clear as day that it has been there reopening that has driven the huge spike in infections (although deaths remain incredibly low by comparison).

You can moan about the odd person not wearing their mask, want it mandatory outdoors and think that a tier 3 lockdown on hospitality is a good move but its mere windowdressing if you're not going to deal with the main cause of infections.

Students are still gonna be cooped up in halls and terrace housing and little johnny is still gonna be clambering and dribbling over his mates.

How dare you claim that with your common sense??

 

The narrative in the media is that its the evil hospitality sector with their dastardly pubs causing the recent spikes despite data clearly suggesting otherwise.

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1 minute ago, Nalis said:

How dare you claim that with your common sense??

 

The narrative in the media is that its the evil hospitality sector with their dastardly pubs causing the recent spikes despite data clearly suggesting otherwise.

Yep from the moment they reopened they were saving up their tens of thousands of infections, just waiting a couple of months for schools and unis to reopen and then 2 weeks later... bam take that!

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1 hour ago, Harrydc said:

 

And yet the Ireland Department of Health yesterday said there were 46,429 confirmed case and 1,838 deaths. 

 

Clicks on twitter feed, sees them posting shite like this... https://aobrempongnana.wordpress.com/2020/05/15/who-offered-me-20million-dollars-to-put-a-little-toxic-in-my-covid-19-remedy-madagascar-president-exposes-who/

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1 hour ago, Harrydc said:

Does it not occur to you that maybe places are being locked down for no good reason and absolutely zero scientific evidence? 

Course it does. And it's gonna be interesting to see public reaction over the next few weeks and the counter reaction from the authorities.

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