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19 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

Do you want to walk your dog or go on a morning run wearing a mask? The question that needs to be asked if how long are these restrictions going to be in place if we do not get a vaccine? Because there is absolutely no way I'm living like this in 2 years time. It's sending me crazy. 

Step away from this thread, don't read/watch the news and do your own thing for a bit mate. You'll feel much much better for it:thumbup:

 

I know you worked in hospitality too, so concentrate on a job search (if that's something you want).

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27 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

Do you want to walk your dog or go on a morning run wearing a mask? The question that needs to be asked if how long are these restrictions going to be in place if we do not get a vaccine? Because there is absolutely no way I'm living like this in 2 years time. It's sending me crazy. 

But these people wear in close contact with lots of people, I don't see the hardship in wearing a mask whilst they do that.

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44 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

Do you want to walk your dog or go on a morning run wearing a mask? The question that needs to be asked if how long are these restrictions going to be in place if we do not get a vaccine? Because there is absolutely no way I'm living like this in 2 years time. It's sending me crazy. 

I don't think anyone wants to do any the things we're having to. People do them to try to keep themselves and others safer whilst having some shred of normality.

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34 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Cases are clearly remaining constant here.  No rise.  Certainly not an exponential rise of any note.

 

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A month ago the seven day average was around 3000/day

a month on, its 16000/day

 

are we pretending that this is ‘constant’ ?


Vallance would say that without the rule of six, it would be much higher - no one can argue the toss either way ....

 

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2 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Cases are clearly remaining constant here.  No rise.  Certainly not an exponential rise of any note.

 

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So the increase from 3000 cases per day to 16,000 is all just a constant? 

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10 minutes ago, Lionator said:

The noises are that these vaccines, specifically the BioNTech/Pfizer and Astra Zeneca/Oxford ones are effective.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hope-for-covid-vaccine-at-new-year-25b52b86s

 

I suppose the next challenge will be convincing enough members of the public to be vaccinated.

 

Once vaccinations start, hospitalisations and deaths will naturally reduce and that's when measures will be dropped I would imagine. 

 

I feel that people will accept restrictions a lot more as long as they know there's an end, which is where an approved vaccine will change the game.

Does it say how long the vaccine gives you immunity? Or is it something that you need to get regularly vaccinated for? 

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10 minutes ago, Lionator said:

The noises are that these vaccines, specifically the BioNTech/Pfizer and Astra Zeneca/Oxford ones are effective.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hope-for-covid-vaccine-at-new-year-25b52b86s

 

I suppose the next challenge will be convincing enough members of the public to be vaccinated.

 

Once vaccinations start, hospitalisations and deaths will naturally reduce and that's when measures will be dropped I would imagine. 

 

I feel that people will accept restrictions a lot more as long as they know there's an end, which is where an approved vaccine will change the game.

I would hope/think there would be enough people who want to be vaccined to create a certain degree of immunity in the community.

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12 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Cases are clearly remaining constant here.  No rise.  Certainly not an exponential rise of any note.

 

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To be fair:

 

A - it was an estimate and not a statement of fact

B - some scientists get it wrong and can only work off the information at their disposal

C - he got it wrong but I think we can move on at this stage

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6 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Does it say how long the vaccine gives you immunity? Or is it something that you need to get regularly vaccinated for? 

No but it's something that they wont know until it crops up. It'd be for longer than immunity caused by the virus itself for sure, but very unlikely to be forever.

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23 minutes ago, Lionator said:

The noises are that these vaccines, specifically the BioNTech/Pfizer and Astra Zeneca/Oxford ones are effective.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hope-for-covid-vaccine-at-new-year-25b52b86s

 

I suppose the next challenge will be convincing enough members of the public to be vaccinated.

 

Once vaccinations start, hospitalisations and deaths will naturally reduce and that's when measures will be dropped I would imagine. 

 

I feel that people will accept restrictions a lot more as long as they know there's an end, which is where an approved vaccine will change the game.

 

If it's down to convincing the public, just announce that everyone who has had the vaccine (or has signed up and waiting for it) is exempt from any lockdown measures already in place or to be introduced. Bingo.

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16 minutes ago, Nalis said:

To be fair:

 

A - it was an estimate and not a statement of fact

B - some scientists get it wrong and can only work off the information at their disposal

C - he got it wrong but I think we can move on at this stage

Can someone check what he ACTUALLY said 

 

I thought that it was if we continue doing what we’re doing without any changes then we could have 50k cases per day by mid October 

 

he could NEVER be wrong because he knew we were going to make changes and anyone saying he is wrong has some kind of agenda 

 

And he could always refer to the ONS data rather than PHE which is generally 75/100% higher.  ONS say last week we had approx 27k cases per day. It’s not much of a punt to say that without the six restriction that could have been 50k a week on from that.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said:

 

If it's down to convincing the public, just announce that everyone who has had the vaccine (or has signed up and waiting for it) is exempt from any lockdown measures already in place or to be introduced. Bingo.

Sounds like it should be so simple eh lol

 

Until some tinfoil hatters make a couple YouTube videos. :rolleyes:

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7 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Can someone check what he ACTUALLY said 

 

I thought that it was if we continue doing what we’re doing without any changes then we could have 50k cases per day by mid October 

 

he could NEVER be wrong because he knew we were going to make changes and anyone saying he is wrong has some kind of agenda 

 

And he could always refer to the ONS data rather than PHE which is generally 75/100% higher.  ONS say last week we had approx 27k cases per day. It’s not much of a punt to say that without the six restriction that could have been 50k a week on from that.

 

 

That's comparing apples to oranges though in comparing the official positive count at the time vs the ONS figures now. I'm sure the ONS figures were higher back then in comparison with the official figures at the time.

 

Anyway, point of my post was that any prediction any estimated at the time is probably irrelevant now anyway so we can move on, my post didnt come across that way on reflection so my mistake on that.

 

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1 hour ago, Nalis said:

I would hope/think there would be enough people who want to be vaccined to create a certain degree of immunity in the community.

 

1 hour ago, Lionator said:

No but it's something that they wont know until it crops up. It'd be for longer than immunity caused by the virus itself for sure, but very unlikely to be forever.

As Lionator suggests, the immunity will likely be longer than that developed from having the virus itself. I'd imagine it could be similar ilk to seasonal flu where a vaccine is developed yearly if coronavirus continues to mutate. 

 

However, I would like to see some measures stay in place even with a vaccine 

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42 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

 

As Lionator suggests, the immunity will likely be longer than that developed from having the virus itself. I'd imagine it could be similar ilk to seasonal flu where a vaccine is developed yearly if coronavirus continues to mutate. 

 

However, I would like to see some measures stay in place even with a vaccine 

Measures such as what? 

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1 hour ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said:

 

If it's down to convincing the public, just announce that everyone who has had the vaccine (or has signed up and waiting for it) is exempt from any lockdown measures already in place or to be introduced. Bingo.

I people can't see how wrong this would be then I give up. 

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What’s people experience of the track and trace app? The other half’s friend has been told to isolate for 14 days having been in close contact with someone yet she has barely been anywhere, and when she has she’s wore masks and kept well away from anyone. She can’t work out where she could have been in contact and will be deleting the app as soon as she’s free as she can’t afford another 2 weeks off work. 

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14 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

Measures such as what? 

Basic hygiene standards of shops/public transport for one. Before covid when did you last someone clean the handles/arm rests of a train? Same applies for trolleys in shops. I worked in one for 3 years and never saw them being cleaned or wiped down. I'd include the increase of sanitiser on the entrance to the shop too.

 

Wouldn't be adverse to mask wearing on trains/public transport, especially during peak times in tandem with keeping the increased carriage numbers. 

 

I could list a fair few more as well.

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13 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Basic hygiene standards of shops/public transport for one. Before covid when did you last someone clean the handles/arm rests of a train? Same applies for trolleys in shops. I worked in one for 3 years and never saw them being cleaned or wiped down. I'd include the increase of sanitiser on the entrance to the shop too.

 

Wouldn't be adverse to mask wearing on trains/public transport, especially during peak times in tandem with keeping the increased carriage numbers. 

 

I could list a fair few more as well.

But if the pandemic is over, why would we wear masks? What is there to be scared of? 

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3 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

But if the pandemic is over, why would we wear masks? What is there to be scared of? 

Could ask the same thing about wearing a thin piece of fabric on your face... what makes it so terrifying?

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