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11 minutes ago, Countryfox said:


But it was the point of your post ..   I said “very little” religious connotation and you said “half the country” would disagree. 

 

The point was that Christians might disagree that Christmas isnt religious. Whether that's 30%, 40%, 50% of the total population of the UK I dont really care, it's going to be more than enough to suggest that your post was overstated.

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1 minute ago, ealingfox said:

 

The point was that Christians might disagree that Christmas isnt religious. Whether that's 30%, 40%, 50% of the total population of the UK I dont really care, it's going to be more than enough to suggest that your post was overstated.

A quick Google suggests nearly 60% of the UK population identify as Christian, or at least according to the most recent census information available. The stat Buce used was just C of E, not Christianity as a whole.

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2 hours ago, Markyblue said:

And how much extra do the people of these countries contribute from their earnings to facilitate those figures. 

I'm not an expert on German tax, but I just found a German tax calculator online, punched in the equivalent of my salary in euros and I'd come out with pretty much the same wage, or maybe a little more, I need to read up on it more, but I looks like it won't be less.

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11 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

A quick Google suggests nearly 60% of the UK population identify as Christian, or at least according to the most recent census information available. The stat Buce used was just C of E, not Christianity as a whole.

 

Sorry, but you're mistaken.

 

The statistic for church attendance referred to C of E (thanks for the correction) but the statistic referring to 'identifying as Christian' made no reference to any specific denomination.

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2 hours ago, Izzy said:

Most people are only 'Christians' when it's suits them (like at Christmas :whistle:)

sort of Cherry-picking Christians....

 

Makes sense..

The burning Bush is Now After all These years, just a pile of ash....

The Sacred Tablets...After all the Medis I've had,it must of  been me that swallowed the lot,

No..!! lot turned to stone,when she turned & looked back at Gomarrha

& We all know Gomarrha never comes....

Oh well..!! Sodom is what I say..

 

I wonder if some orthadox-chrissies ,want my blaspheming head...

Jesus, you Couldnt make up a Cartoon about it...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Sorry, but you're mistaken.

 

The statistic for church attendance referred to C of E (thanks for the correction) but the statistic referring to 'identifying as Christian' made no reference to any specific denomination.

Unfortunately I can't verify the source used for the info on the website you used without registering my details, but I would be interested to know where it comes from. The ONS are using the census from 2011, they don't appear to have anything more up to date. It's a massive decline in a relatively short space of time, too, but I wonder how many people just put a religion on the census form without really thinking about it?

 

The religion that the largest proportion of the populations in both England and Wales identified with was Christianity (59% and 58% respectively). Almost a third of the population of Wales (32%) and a quarter of the population of England (25%) did not identify with any religion.

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15 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

Unfortunately I can't verify the source used for the info on the website you used without registering my details, but I would be interested to know where it comes from. The ONS are using the census from 2011, they don't appear to have anything more up to date.

 

The religion that the largest proportion of the populations in both England and Wales identified with was Christianity (59% and 58% respectively). Almost a third of the population of Wales (32%) and a quarter of the population of England (25%) did not identify with any religion.

Where do these percentages come from...Take Another Cross section of People , or Another etc,etc and the % will change according to the registrars-choice Surely..

 

In my Travels I used to be Surprised how many Quiet young Christians I come across. Many have lost confidence in the 'church' but Not their  belief..!!

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Am I missing something or will tier 1 folk be allowed to resume after Dec 2nd with up to 6 people including themselves from 6 different households all day everyday, switching and swapping which households they interact with then come 23rd Dec for 5 days they can only see 2 other households but not set to a max of 6 people and then after the 28th go back to multi mini House parties? Pretty fcukin wild as per usual.

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Early chat is that there'll be no region at all in the country that starts off in Tier 1...

 

The cynic in me says the Xmas news was released with them fully well knowing it'd just be Tier 2 or 3 from next week onwards. Almost like a sweetener before the shit news hits :dunno:

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3 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

I'm so tired and unable to process information that I'm asking on a fans' forum for a provincial football team what the new rules actually are.

 

If me and the kids go to visit the in-laws, along with my brother in law, that's ok because that's three households. Does that mean that I cannot take my family to see MY folks during the Christmas period?

 

I'm asking this on the assumption that both sets of parents actually want us to visit, which is not a given

Correct.  You cannot see your parents, your in-laws cannot see any of their other children if they have any, your brother-in-law cannot see his in-laws.  Or any grown-up children they may have.  The bubble is your household, your brother-in-laws, and your in-laws.  No-one else.

 

A person with three grown-up children can only see 2 of them, and that's only if those 2 haven't used their allocation on their own grown-up children or in-laws or other relatives.  The number of people who will be able to have anything like a normal Christmas with this three households rule, will be very small.  If Mr Smith and Mrs Jones live together and want to see both Mr Smith's parents and Mrs Jones' parents, then that is the bubble full - Mr Smith and Mrs Jones can't see their grown-up children.  The elderly Smiths are now in a bubble with their son and with Joneses who they hardly know, and so can't see their other son.  Ditto the elderly Joneses - the elderly Smiths are in their bubble so their other daughter has to stay away.

 

This rule will not be observed.  My brother has two grown up children who he wants to see, but my mother wants to see them too.  Too many households.  If we leave mother out of it - my brother's daughter shares a house with a friend.  If daughter goes to see her parents and brother at Christmas, that's the three households and daughter's housemate can't see anyone.  If daughter and housemate each see their parents, then the two sets of parents are in a bubble with each other and can't see their other children or their parents.  It is not going to happen.  When people work out the rules, they will simply ignore them.  It's a fatuous set of rules.

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20 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Am I missing something or will tier 1 folk be allowed to resume after Dec 2nd with up to 6 people including themselves from 6 different households all day everyday, switching and swapping which households they interact with then come 23rd Dec for 5 days they can only see 2 other households but not set to a max of 6 people and then after the 28th go back to multi mini House parties? Pretty fcukin wild as per usual.

Ring a Ring of roses protocol...innit.

Looking from outwards in...I am also sort of confused..

Though when I have reread  it, it might come clearer

 

Germany plans to relax rules,over Xmas & new year,Der 23- 1st Jan...> Not yet passed< 

# NO Blanket Ban on fireworks...But no public/organized Fireworks display.for new year..!!

# Christmas-period.. From known Friends & Extended family relations, 10 People Max  can gather in One Household

  Including staying overnight....

 

my thought, even if the Governments allow it, and means I could see all my kids & gkids over the festive  days ,(like pre-Covid )and or a Family gathering

On my wifes's Birthday. 27th Dec.     But is it at a Good idea...Possibilty one or Two Family Member can Infect  the others,and innocently

force them into quarantine, Maybe also endangering their jobs...their mortgages..!!

 

This is the real,relevant.....'The Nation decides'

ie..One of my daughters, who lives with hubby in Switzerland ( The Dogs Pictures I post are from them)...

They will Stay with us,if they come, but when she Meets her Brother & Sisters ( with kids), any One of my children, could be putting their Sibblings health/ job existence /Mortgage in danger....Is it worth it..!!

 

The covid virus,looks like bagpipes,but should we allow it to potentially Jump over our house thresholds....

 

Just because some ASBOS & Sweet Innocents "might" break lockdown-rulings, why should the Governments give in to them..!!!

Is it a compromise Too far.....

 

What are  the thoughts & flexability of the small & Big Business towards  their employees,

not forgetting what do those individual workers in those Businesses think..!!

Their employees will have stepped out of their Routine bubbles,expanding their own potential problems...

This is a pandemic, we Shouldnt be supporting a "them n us"  attitudes.

Are we so stupid,& irresponsible that we will Just Fall back on blaming our Governments allowing us to be Prime idiots when it goes Tits up..!!!

We are not clever enough to be pragmatic,prudent  and Simply wise for a few months or 1-2 years..!!

 

 

Life has given us a couple of challenges, and asking hard questions in these last few years....

So far neither Goverments nor we  the individual- joes & Family have shown we can Work together  to get over this  shit.

The past Applaus for Health workers has just been hypocritical , contradictive crap..!!!

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Babylon said:

Well, we did have a pandemic test run, which highlighted a load of stuff (such as lack of PPE), that we could have prepared for, but didn't. 

 

I think it's perfectly relevant to point it out.

I fully agree with you that we didn't acknowledge the issues of the test run. And we should've had more reserves than we did have. 

 

I'm disagreeing with how the BBC protrayed that had we brought all the PPE needed a year ago we'd have saved billions. But that in itself brings other issues. 

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8 hours ago, StanSP said:

Early chat is that there'll be no region at all in the country that starts off in Tier 1...

 

The cynic in me says the Xmas news was released with them fully well knowing it'd just be Tier 2 or 3 from next week onwards. Almost like a sweetener before the shit news hits :dunno:

I think that Cornwall and somewhere else that’s away from anywhere inhabited could be tier 1 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Well, we did have a pandemic test run, which highlighted a load of stuff (such as lack of PPE), that we could have prepared for, but didn't. 

 

I think it's perfectly relevant to point it out.

If only they had listen to our good friend Bill Gates

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14 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

I fully agree with you that we didn't acknowledge the issues of the test run. And we should've had more reserves than we did have. 

 

I'm disagreeing with how the BBC protrayed that had we brought all the PPE needed a year ago we'd have saved billions. But that in itself brings other issues. 

Is that portrayal wrong? PPE would have been cheaper to source back then as there was no pandemic and less demand. If it was done off the back of no kind of test run or trial (in 2016?) then yeah its pretty pointless. But the fact there was a test run, and there seemingly wasn't any care for it in regards to PPE, makes it very relevant now. 

 

Kind of like the test run is now saying 'I told you so' and there isn't anything wrong with that. It's worth the government being held to account for it... 

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Tier 3 likely

 

  • Leicester: 454.8 cases per 100,00
  • Blaby: 424.5 cases per 100,000
  • Charnwood: 305.1 cases per 100,000

  • Harborough: 314.5 cases per 100,000

  • Hinckley and Bosworth: 292.6 cases per 100,000a

  • Melton: 333.9 cases per 100,000

  • North West Leicestershire: 346.5 cases per 100,000

  • Oadby and Wigston: 459.5 cases per 100,000

According to the Merc (via Soulsby and other "officials"), we will be Tier 3. Not clear whether that will apply to the whole city and/or county but it would be difficult to differentiate specific areas. 

Very high rates in Blaby and O&W if you compare it to Leicester (city). 

 

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4 hours ago, StanSP said:

Is that portrayal wrong? PPE would have been cheaper to source back then as there was no pandemic and less demand. If it was done off the back of no kind of test run or trial (in 2016?) then yeah its pretty pointless. But the fact there was a test run, and there seemingly wasn't any care for it in regards to PPE, makes it very relevant now. 

 

Kind of like the test run is now saying 'I told you so' and there isn't anything wrong with that. It's worth the government being held to account for it... 

That doesn't even take into account the Billions spent on non-existant PPE manufactured by fake companies set up a few months ago and that all belong to Tory peers etc. Maybe if they had spent the money on actual real-life PPE from real companies that make it then we would have had plenty to go around.

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lets be honest, if Covid HADN'T have happened, we'd all be sitting here going "why on earth did the government spend £10bn on PPE equipment that it doesn't need just to stockpile it". 

 

hindsight makes it easy to pick holes. 

 

for the record, I think the government has made an absolute dogs dinner of the management of the pandemic, but I imagine you could pick fault with every single government in the world with how it's been done or what they could have done better.

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3 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Tier 3 likely

 

  • Leicester: 454.8 cases per 100,00
  • Blaby: 424.5 cases per 100,000
  • Charnwood: 305.1 cases per 100,000

  • Harborough: 314.5 cases per 100,000

  • Hinckley and Bosworth: 292.6 cases per 100,000a

  • Melton: 333.9 cases per 100,000

  • North West Leicestershire: 346.5 cases per 100,000

  • Oadby and Wigston: 459.5 cases per 100,000

According to the Merc (via Soulsby and other "officials"), we will be Tier 3. Not clear whether that will apply to the whole city and/or county but it would be difficult to differentiate specific areas. 

Very high rates in Blaby and O&W if you compare it to Leicester (city). 

 

They were happy to differentiate specific areas a few months ago when Leicester stayed in lockdown & so did Oadby & Wigston, so they might do the same again. Also surprised Charnwood is that low, especially as Lough Uni is included in those figures.

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