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35 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!

 

Why not try a search to find something else?

 

What was it? Mildly curious. 

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, filbertway said:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1370264/Pfizer-vaccine-warning-covid-regulator-allergic-reaction-warning-latest

 

Couple of people with history of allergies had an allergic reaction and are both recovering fine. 

Sorry about that.

 

Good to hear.

 

16 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Interesting that they decided to take it in the first place.  You would have to be very concerned about covid :(

NHS workers apparently 

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2 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Its probably not that out of the ordinary is it seeing as there are potential side effects to every drug under the sun.

Far too logical a view for the antivaxxers.

 

I heard it’s the 5G transmitter that causes the reaction.

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1 hour ago, dsr-burnley said:

It is.  But I don't believe that fear of going back to square 1 should stop us from going to square 2.  

 

Vaccine immunity, if limited, will not be limited to a set time.  We won't be in the position of one day herd immunity, next day everyone is vulnerable.  So they will notice if immunity is weakening and can roll out a top-up.

 

As it stands, over the past year, the average over-80 has had an 11% chance of dying.  In a normal year, it is only 10%.  All these restrictions have been with the intention of holding that number down as low as possible and stop it rising to (absolute worst case forecast) 20% - a forecast which we now know from worldwide experience wouldn't have come true anyway.

 

But if the vaccine does take hold and - even if only temporarily - and the death rate goes back to "only" 10%, should we reintroduce these severe restrictions - which, on old people, are desperately severe, because their entire social life has been taken from them - because we fear the death rate might rise back to 11% and we want to reduce it to 10.1%?

 

This is the point about old people.  They know they are going to die.  They aren't (unlike certain members of the government) trying to achieve immortality.  They want to balance the risk of dying with the enjoyment of life, and the post-vaccine risk of dying without coronavirus is in those terms insignificant.

 

Put it simply.  Lockdown because a pandemic is happening makes an unpleasant sort of sense.  Lockdown because we haven't got a pandemic but are afraid we might, does not.

I can only speak for myself here, but I would posit that while a lot of old people know they are going to die, very *very* few people, old or otherwise, either want it to happen or even just accept the idea. Not deep down, anyway.

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4 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

 

 

People are focusing on all the possible side effects of this new vaccine and "not knowing what's going into their bodies", but seem to readily forget ibuprofen and paracetamol have some nasty ass potential side effects. Just as people will take anaesthetic for dental appointments, when really we have very little idea how it actually works.  

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5 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

I wonder if we'll get daily vaccination numbers like we've had daily cases and deaths shoved down our throats for the last 9 months.

I dunno, I would have thought easy and timely access to scientific information regarding a major current event would be a good thing. Knowledge is important, after all.

 

Maybe I'm mistaken there.

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55 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I can only speak for myself here, but I would posit that while a lot of old people know they are going to die, very *very* few people, old or otherwise, either want it to happen or even just accept the idea. Not deep down, anyway.

It's a matter of degree of risk.  As Auberon Waugh once said, there is nothing worth giving up for the sake of two more years in a nursing home.  You can increase your life expactancy by giving up driving and never going more than walking distance from your home - but is it worth it?

 

There is no doubt that old people can increase their life expectancy by pretending they don't have grandchildren and never seeing them.  Many grandparents are willing to take that risk.

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3 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

It's a matter of degree of risk.  As Auberon Waugh once said, there is nothing worth giving up for the sake of two more years in a nursing home.  You can increase your life expactancy by giving up driving and never going more than walking distance from your home - but is it worth it?

 

There is no doubt that old people can increase their life expectancy by pretending they don't have grandchildren and never seeing them.  Many grandparents are willing to take that risk.

I certainly agree about the risk factor and that people are willing to take the risk, as that is self-evident.

 

However that changes nothing about my observation regarding peoples thoughts and behaviours when the chips are really down - merely adds the caveat that the people who take risks in such a fashion don't really understand the cost when they do it, only when their time looks to have come.

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5 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

It's a matter of degree of risk.  As Auberon Waugh once said, there is nothing worth giving up for the sake of two more years in a nursing home.  You can increase your life expactancy by giving up driving and never going more than walking distance from your home - but is it worth it?

 

There is no doubt that old people can increase their life expectancy by pretending they don't have grandchildren and never seeing them.  Many grandparents are willing to take that risk.

Life is for living.  I don’t see being tucked away doing nothing as much of a life. I’m fed up after 9 months of this shit but my parents feel it’s turning into the biggest waste of a year they’ll ever have. Being told it’s not safe to do what they love doing is ageing them faster than it should. Creating memories is what they want to do. Watching tv doesn’t create anything to look back at fondly. 

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1 hour ago, Nalis said:

Its probably not that out of the ordinary is it seeing as there are potential side effects to every drug under the sun.

What happened to the dreaded 6 needles that everyone had at school to test for allergic reactions before getting inoculated.

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10 minutes ago, MonmoreStef said:

Life is for living.  I don’t see being tucked away doing nothing as much of a life. I’m fed up after 9 months of this shit but my parents feel it’s turning into the biggest waste of a year they’ll ever have. Being told it’s not safe to do what they love doing is ageing them faster than it should. Creating memories is what they want to do. Watching tv doesn’t create anything to look back at fondly. 

Again, agreed that this is a pretty general sentiment, and it shows that sometimes humans have a blind spot in the forethought department. I wonder if that's an evolutionary thing?

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4 hours ago, StanSP said:

 

Isn't this because they don't know how long immunity of the vaccine against COVID lasts? So if someone gets the vaccine and goes back to normal, then a few months down the line the immunity is weakened and they're hugging like there's no tomorrow, and they get COVID, are we not just back to square one? 

 

I don't blame them for still being cautious. It's a brand new vaccine. Yes it has been tested and regulated but it's still in the world of the unknown as to how long it can protect you for. 

 

If they said go back to normal life, we'll be saying 'why did they tell us to go back to normal when they didn't know how long we are immune for?' 

Until they know for certain, they'll continue to proceed with caution and give out the warnings about masks and socially distancing. 

 

That's also the reason why I don't like them putting a date on these things...' back to normal by Easter... We'll have a great summer...'. How do they know? How do Johnson and Hancock (as they were the ones that said it) know this? Their track record of overpromising and under-delivering works heavily against them when they come out with stuff like this? 

We're not going to have everyone vaccinated by the end of winter anyway, where the most damage would be.

 

The benefit of herd immunity will coincide with the changing of the seasons, by which point there will be a steep decline in cases anyway.

 

If we're seeing the effectiveness of the vaccine wear off as we head into summer, the numbers will be small enough that we can just learn from it and adjust plans without the need to bring in restrictions. At which point we can start to make plans about what a continuous vaccination program might look like. Or perhaps a vaccine with longer lasting immunity and/or effectiveness may become available.

 

The logical thing to do is to open the floodgates once the critical point of vaccinations is reached, but I fear that a fear of liability will stop this from happening and getting out the other side of this mess will be more drawn out than necessary.

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2 hours ago, UniFox21 said:

People are focusing on all the possible side effects of this new vaccine and "not knowing what's going into their bodies", but seem to readily forget ibuprofen and paracetamol have some nasty ass potential side effects. Just as people will take anaesthetic for dental appointments, when really we have very little idea how it actually works.  

 

The same people who'll happily drink a bottle of Lambrini before going out on a night out, and eating whatever £5 buys them at 3am from wherever is open on the way home

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8 minutes ago, Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo said:

 

The same people who'll happily drink a bottle of Lambrini before going out on a night out, and eating whatever £5 buys them at 3am from wherever is open on the way home

Are you suggesting Las Vegas Fish Bar is potentially hazardous to health?

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2 hours ago, Nod.E said:

We're not going to have everyone vaccinated by the end of winter anyway, where the most damage would be.

 

The benefit of herd immunity will coincide with the changing of the seasons, by which point there will be a steep decline in cases anyway.

 

If we're seeing the effectiveness of the vaccine wear off as we head into summer, the numbers will be small enough that we can just learn from it and adjust plans without the need to bring in restrictions. At which point we can start to make plans about what a continuous vaccination program might look like. Or perhaps a vaccine with longer lasting immunity and/or effectiveness may become available.

 

The logical thing to do is to open the floodgates once the critical point of vaccinations is reached, but I fear that a fear of liability will stop this from happening and getting out the other side of this mess will be more drawn out than necessary.

 

Honestly, it only matters in terms of large events I think like night clubs or sport matches. Offices will decide after a while it's alright to go back themselves. The rest, individuals will start overuling government advice once they've been vaccinated.

 

I think on an individual level, the second their 14 day delay after their 2nd injection to get into their system is up, most will be happy to take risks they haven't since March like going on holiday or going on public transport or visiting friends/family who've also been vaccinated. Probably many will stop wearing masks once they've been vaccinated too.

 

I think, regardless of what the government does, we'll see more and more people return to basically normal as they each get their own individual vaccine.

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5 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

What happened to the dreaded 6 needles that everyone had at school to test for allergic reactions before getting inoculated.

 

5 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

That was a immunity test for Tuberculosis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaf_test

Yes the Heaf test was. One of the few non-surgical medical processes that a child had that left a permanent scar. Then there was the BCG inoculation and the thing you had on a lump of sugar, whatever that was. I'm talking 1965 or thereabouts.

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If anyone is asked to use the postal service to get a coronavirus test done don't even bother.

Monday 23th November, well over two weeks ago, I was unwell and I called my doctors surgery and asked for a telephone consultation. They called back within the hour and as I expected diagnosed a kidney infection. They asked me to call back if there had been no improvement after three days. However they also asked me to get a coronavirus test done just to be on the safe side if they needed to see me. 

Because I did not feel well enough to drive or walk into town I opted for the postal test.

The test kit arrived the next day. They have to be registered online and I couldn't do this as the relevant part of the gov.uk website was permanently down. So I had to wait my turn and register over the phone. Do the test and get a neighbour to pop it in the post.

Over two weeks later I still haven't had the result back. All that time I have been stuck at home and relying on the neighbours to get me a bit of shopping when I wanted it.

If there had been no tests available and I was told to self-isolate I would have been well past the fourteen day quarantine period by now!!!

Is this Hancock's world-beating system???

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