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dsr- My comment was aimed at you. I apologise for being snarky; I wasn’t in the best of moods last night and that comment really got my goat.

 

Although if you’re waiting for absolute proof, you’ll never be satisfied. And I fear too many people might use this as an excuse for why they ran away from the needle.

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1 hour ago, The People's Hero said:

Not good down here (south-east). Have a couple of friends who work in the 2 local hospitals and both got in touch over two days; and its taken a huge turn for their worse down here (Kent).

 

Hope all FT'ers and their families are well and staying safe.

Likewise mate.  Kent seems to be taking a big hit at the moment indeed.  West Sussex also up a bit.  Looking forward to a quiet Christmas!

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1 hour ago, Dunge said:

dsr- My comment was aimed at you. I apologise for being snarky; I wasn’t in the best of moods last night and that comment really got my goat.

 

Although if you’re waiting for absolute proof, you’ll never be satisfied. And I fear too many people might use this as an excuse for why they ran away from the needle.

No worries.  Absolute proof will be when we've been vaccinated and coronavirus becomes rare.  

 

As for the vaccine, I might have been dubious 6 months ago.  Now, I'd take it if it was offered by a bloke called Private Joe Walker working for Flash Harry Enterprises.

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10 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

It bothers me greatly that being sceptical of every single piece of expert advice is now considered open mindedness by large swathes of people.  I call it wilful ignorance.   We won't get any further as a civilisation until we undo the notion that having access to the internet and Linda from down the road's Facebook feed makes you just as much an authority on a subject as a person who's dedicated years to studying it.  Have some humility and accept that some people are more clued up than you.

It's easy to belittle any source of information on the internet by announcing that its all written by Linda on Facebook.

 

Not Nobel prize winning scientists or a bunch of other experts. Nope, just "Linda on Facebook".

 

The sheer hypocrisy of revealing this by writing it on the internet is completely lost.

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It would be nice to put on the news one day, and if just be normal. For the last 10 months, all that has been drummed into us is Covid-19. It's constantly on our minds, where ever we go there is absolutely no escape. Eventually, it starts to bring you down...  

 

 

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All of this talk of urging the government to cancel the easing of restrictions between 23rd and 27th of December is completely missing the point that people will break the rules over Christmas regardless. By giving some sensible guidelines, people are more likely to adhere to them and therefore reduce rate of increase in cases. 

 

It's also fair as the restrictions have hit those who have been compliant with them the most and the christmas break rewards them accordingly, whereas the rule breakers have unfairly enjoyed more freedoms regardless of any rules in place during the last 9 months.

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2 minutes ago, Nalis said:

All of this talk of urging the government to cancel the easing of restrictions between 23rd and 27th of December is completely missing the point that people will break the rules over Christmas regardless. By giving some sensible guidelines, people are more likely to adhere to them and therefore reduce the increase in cases. 

 

It's also fair but the restrictions have hit those who have been compliant with them the most and the christmas break rewards them accordingly, whereas the rule breakers have unfairly enjoyed more freedoms regardless of any rules in place during the last 9 months.

Absolutely. Wasn't the whole point of the Xmas rules so that people were given an inch, knowing that loads of people were going to take a mile anyway?

 

You know that on a typical street, for everyone one household will be alone this Xmas, staying away from family or having the bare minimum round, someone else will have 12 cars and their entire family round. (exaggeration to make a point.) It's inevitable. We're 9 months into this pandemic and unless you've been closely, personally affected by it, you'll largely be dictated by your conscience.

 

That's not to say anyone should rat on those who have had the biggest Xmas piss up gathering in their house with more than the restrictions dictate, but they should definitely keep their moans to themselves if we're back in tighter restrictions come mid-January.

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11 hours ago, Dunge said:

Sorry, but what more evidence do you need? The exact thing you’re asking for (scientific proof) has been provided, peer-reviewed by world-leading experts as being not just moderately effective but highly effective. But you’re saying that’s not only not enough, but that there’s “no evidence”. Does God himself need to speak to you from a burning bush to confirm it?

 

Sorry I sound exasperated, but that comment is exasperating.


I think that’s a completely different type of infection that you’re talking about there @Dunge :ph34r:

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17 minutes ago, Nalis said:

All of this talk of urging the government to cancel the easing of restrictions between 23rd and 27th of December is completely missing the point that people will break the rules over Christmas regardless. By giving some sensible guidelines, people are more likely to adhere to them and therefore reduce rate of increase in cases. 

 

It's also fair as the restrictions have hit those who have been compliant with them the most and the christmas break rewards them accordingly, whereas the rule breakers have unfairly enjoyed more freedoms regardless of any rules in place during the last 9 months.

The problem has come from dropping London into a tier 2 which consequently has caused cases to rise down south. It would have been far better to have kept the whole country in tier 3, then have a short period over christmas without lockdown. Now what's going to happen is people will travel from an area that's seeing rising cases into areas which were showing signs of stability.

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2 hours ago, simFox said:

It's easy to belittle any source of information on the internet by announcing that its all written by Linda on Facebook.

 

Not Nobel prize winning scientists or a bunch of other experts. Nope, just "Linda on Facebook".

 

The sheer hypocrisy of revealing this by writing it on the internet is completely lost.

No, no, no. You remove in its entirety the concept of trust and that is a gargantuan problem. :(

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2 hours ago, Harrydc said:

It would be nice to put on the news one day, and if just be normal. For the last 10 months, all that has been drummed into us is Covid-19. It's constantly on our minds, where ever we go there is absolutely no escape. Eventually, it starts to bring you down...  

 

 

And before that all we had was Brexit on repeat. 

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I'm sure they will bow to media pressure and reduce the number of households allowed to mix at Christmas. Probably to one other household. Lots of people getting their "I told you so" opinions out in the media  before January. I keep seeing comments about Germany/Netherlands having Christmas lockdowns yet both are allowing minimal mixing from what I can see. 

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4 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Christmas plans are made, if they change the rules I’m not changing my plans.

**** it.

Was sold to us so they got away with the lockdown in November without to much opposition. The lockdown they promised would end on 2nd December, no matter what, but actually became another lockdown with the promise Xmas will be able to be enjoyed with family. Now they are on the verge of withdrawing that promise. Quite funny really. 

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23 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Christmas plans are made, if they change the rules I’m not changing my plans.

**** it.

And this is the reason there really will be no back tracking, nobody will listen to this.

 

Not passing judgement either way, it’s unlikely I’ll change my plans. Barely seen my dad, sister, niece and nephew all year.

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The Christmas stuff is just a contradiction of everything we've been told. The vast majority of the country cannot meet indoors and haven't been able to for six weeks, rising cases and yet for five days you can have two other households, possibly from other parts of the country, stay over?

 

I don't blame people if they meet up over Christmas, it was allowed and a very late change if it happens, but is this virus serious enough that we can't meet throughout or we can meet?

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