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4 hours ago, StanSP said:

Or they block the borders to stop more of the virus coming in? No?

Honestly, I don’t see the point. It will definitely be across Europe already, given it was first spotted in September, and even if it isn’t there’s no way they’ll stop it in the long term. I think the original comment is right; we’re being punished for spotting it.

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24 minutes ago, Dunge said:

Is it impossible that a Christmas break with many people not going to work and kids not going to school might actually help to slow the virus down a bit? Or am I being blindly optimistic with that?

In theory it should, but that would rely on people following in - place restrictions. I don't think they will. 

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5 hours ago, Dunge said:

Is it impossible that a Christmas break with many people not going to work and kids not going to school might actually help to slow the virus down a bit? Or am I being blindly optimistic with that?

It might help to slow it a bit but you only have to look at the scenes the other night of all those people trying to get out of London who will now be spreading the new variant even more around the country plus the idiotic Christmas idea and the fact that schools have been kept open when it is now looking as if this new strain is easily spread by children to see there is only one way we are heading and that is into yet another national lockdown.

We're frankly now in a race. Can we possibly vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable and all those over 50 quickly enough to get us out of this mess or will infection become so widespread so quickly that hospitals will basically only be able to treat covid patients?

Considering the very first person to be vaccinated in this country will not be theoretically protected until 5th January my money is on the virus right now unless there is a strict lockdown, enforced by law, rather like the ones they had in Italy and Spain. This isn't what I want but I think it is what will happen.

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What people forget is that the NHS is pulling people through. If they can’t cope, then the survival % will drop. It won’t just be the impact on the people with COVID, it’ll be other illnesses and people within ICU that are affected. 
 

If / when they get overwhelmed by everyone meeting up over Christmas (which is going to happen), then we could have an issue on our hands if it reaches uncontrollable levels. 
 

I saw a post on one of my local spotted pages requesting people avoid meeting up over Christmas. Over 400 comments like “stuff the government”, “the virus is a hoax”, “I’ll be meeting up with the entire family” etc, before it was taken down. 
 

We’ve been in two trains of thought with this since the start, however we’ve decided to have Christmas dinner at home on our own. 
 

As a conservative voter, I may have said before that I initially thought we’d handled the virus quite well. My opinion is now that we’re in a complete mess. If you look how much better other countries have controlled it. The blame doesn’t sit at the governments door entirely for the spread of the virus, as it’s people not adhering to the convoluted, ever changing messages they put out. 
 

The government has asked that people do certain things. Whilst you have the small % that don’t, the R rate stands a chance of growing. Whilst these people aren’t dealt with, then the people who are on the fence also adopt the “no mask, drop social distancing, meet up” etc approach. If they’d been harder with the approach of slapping people with fines, stop searches etc, then we wouldn’t be where we are now. 
 

To think that I need to wear a mask for a haircut in a one on one situation, however I can go and play 6 a side, which is a contact sport with about 60 other people present, or having schools still open doesn’t make sense. 

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6 hours ago, Fktf said:

Some of you still need to move away from the idea that death rate is the main driver of restrictions. 

People have had more than 9 months of this being explained to them over and over and over again. If they still don't get it I don't think they ever will sadly. 

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39 minutes ago, Gubbins said:

Would also help if the Government would accept that schools/universities being open is the main driver of infections.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-infection-rates-in-schools-mirror-rates-in-the-community

 

A personal view, or do you have anything to support this? Appreciate that's one of many comments of personal opinion presented as fact, but feel this behaviour needs challenging more in this thread. 

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3 hours ago, reynard said:

It might help to slow it a bit but you only have to look at the scenes the other night of all those people trying to get out of London who will now be spreading the new variant even more around the country plus the idiotic Christmas idea and the fact that schools have been kept open when it is now looking as if this new strain is easily spread by children to see there is only one way we are heading and that is into yet another national lockdown.

You can't avoid lockdown by closing all the schools and banning people from leaving home.  :unsure:

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3 hours ago, Sly said:

What people forget is that the NHS is pulling people through. If they can’t cope, then the survival % will drop. It won’t just be the impact on the people with COVID, it’ll be other illnesses and people within ICU that are affected. 
 

If / when they get overwhelmed by everyone meeting up over Christmas (which is going to happen), then we could have an issue on our hands if it reaches uncontrollable levels. 
 

I saw a post on one of my local spotted pages requesting people avoid meeting up over Christmas. Over 400 comments like “stuff the government”, “the virus is a hoax”, “I’ll be meeting up with the entire family” etc, before it was taken down. 
 

We’ve been in two trains of thought with this since the start, however we’ve decided to have Christmas dinner at home on our own. 
 

As a conservative voter, I may have said before that I initially thought we’d handled the virus quite well. My opinion is now that we’re in a complete mess. If you look how much better other countries have controlled it. The blame doesn’t sit at the governments door entirely for the spread of the virus, as it’s people not adhering to the convoluted, ever changing messages they put out. 
 

The government has asked that people do certain things. Whilst you have the small % that don’t, the R rate stands a chance of growing. Whilst these people aren’t dealt with, then the people who are on the fence also adopt the “no mask, drop social distancing, meet up” etc approach. If they’d been harder with the approach of slapping people with fines, stop searches etc, then we wouldn’t be where we are now. 
 

To think that I need to wear a mask for a haircut in a one on one situation, however I can go and play 6 a side, which is a contact sport with about 60 other people present, or having schools still open doesn’t make sense. 

I still think that the adoption rates of the advice / instructions etc has probably been much higher than the government or the advisers expected.  The communications have been pretty shit, and no doubt there are things they could have done better, but I have moments when I think about their stated objectives - reducing the curve and not overwhelming the NHS - and consider they have achieved this.  Yes people have died, but in the main they have been people who's chances were low, many of whom could well have been in the annual Flu and Pneumonia death rates.  it was clear early on that we were not going to be able to stop this from spreading in the community.  Then you pick and choose what you can shut down without ****ing up everything, and on reflection while shutting shops and hospitality is very visibly shit for them and for adults, I still back putting kids in school as a better choice.  Screwing up a whole generation to save the old and infirm is a big ask.

If Boris hadn't spent his whole time changing his message and trying to please everyone, and it the government had been clear on their decisions and the basis for them we would be less critical imo.

And yes the chucking around of cash to mates has been shocking - as someone who is heavily involved in procurement controls at work, this is appalling.

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If you've got the time, this set of data and questions are well worth a consideration.

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zkE00ANmITzyXaSM-S_44ZWEJTxoUtp3/view

 

Pity journalists post initial blurb at the press conferences don't ask such superb questions.

 

Perhaps send to your local MP?  

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18 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-infection-rates-in-schools-mirror-rates-in-the-community

 

A personal view, or do you have anything to support this? Appreciate that's one of many comments of personal opinion presented as fact, but feel this behaviour needs challenging more in this thread. 

Would be interesting to know what the community is defined as. For example, if its an average family then surely there is some cross over between schools and the community?

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23 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/covid-19-infection-rates-in-schools-mirror-rates-in-the-community

 

A personal view, or do you have anything to support this? Appreciate that's one of many comments of personal opinion presented as fact, but feel this behaviour needs challenging more in this thread. 

I'm basing it on the fact that infections shot up massively when schools reopened and no amount of tiers, curfews or lockdowns of everything else has brought them down. That the children despite good efforts no doubt, wont social distance or wear masks whilst also being in heated confined spaces. That the vast majority of the kids infected and the parents they go on to infect will be healthy enough to show no symptoms so infections wont show up close to the schools source if at all. Now if all of that isnt a huge cause of the infection rate rising I dont see what else is.

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On 21/12/2020 at 09:32, reynard said:

That is not a very forgiving approach is it? have you considered that visiting a nearby elederly relative on Christmas Day is not rule breaking and maybe people want to get a test to see if it safer for them to do so than without a test. I know of several examples of students, prefectly entitled to return home to their parental houses, who had tests to see if they were negative before returning home. If you don't think case numbers have increased then you are living in a fantasy world.

 

Might believe that if people weren’t turning up with McDonald’s/Starbucks/Costa in their cars, clearly not self isolating. I do think case numbers have increased though. 

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56 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Would be interesting to know what the community is defined as. For example, if its an average family then surely there is some cross over between schools and the community?

Fair. Are community infection rates driven by school rates or vice versa. 

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