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33 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

Why is it that people who don't wear masks because of anxiety, aren't anxious about spreading Covid19?  :dunno:

I can see what you're saying but anxiety isn't and never has been so black and white.

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14 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

 

I really think many people confuse anxiety with feeling uncomfortable. I feel uncomfortable wearing a mask, for starters my glasses steam up and I can't see a thing (which, incidentally, is a cause of frustration, which again, might be mistaken for anxiety.), but like most people, who are likewise uncomfortable, I do it for the short time it takes me to shop. There's a lot of people who just want an easy ride through life and are not prepared to inconvenience themselves in the slightest, not even for themselves, never mind others.

 

Have you tried the masks with the bendy strip of metal on the nose?  

 

My work only provide the cheapo ones which steam my glasses up but with my own no air escapes up to the eye area so Im able to work a physical job without steaming up :-)

 

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One of my neighbours had a phone call yesterday inviting her to go for a Covid-19 jab, but she declined the offer because of transport problems. Kibworth appears to be a hub for administration of the vaccine for residents of the Harborough district. On the question of 'excuses' for not wearing a mask, an excuse can be either reasonable or unreasonable. Indeed, the government's own website talks about 'reasonable excuses' for travelling out of a Tier 4 area.       

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1 hour ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

No, of course, but it is an "easy opt out" for some people. It might have been you who said their partner wears a face shield because of problems with wearing a mask and it's this sort of consideration that people need to do. If people were told that covid19 eats your face off if you don't wear a mask, I wonder how many people who then say, "nope, it makes me anxious."

 

I really think many people confuse anxiety with feeling uncomfortable. I feel uncomfortable wearing a mask, for starters my glasses steam up and I can't see a thing (which, incidentally, is a cause of frustration, which again, might be mistaken for anxiety.), but like most people, who are likewise uncomfortable, I do it for the short time it takes me to shop. There's a lot of people who just want an easy ride through life and are not prepared to inconvenience themselves in the slightest, not even for themselves, never mind others.

 

It's when I see whole families without masks out shopping that does my head. The chances that all of them have medical reasons (and that should be the only reason) are slim and to my mind if that WAS the case, then they wouldn't be all out together as a family, they'd be more cautious.

 

Sorry it's a bit of a rant and as you say Stan, it isn't so simple to call, but it is a source of frustration. Doubtless there are even those who do suffer from anxiety, who are wearing masks, coming out of shops half panicked to death; which angers me even more for anyone who is using it as an excuse (rather than a reason).

I agree with this post completely. The only reason I’m a bit sceptical when it comes to not wearing masks is A) my mum with severe asthma wears one, and my partner is medicated for anxiety and depression, and she wears a mask, and continues to do so despite having a few panic attacks. It’s a difficult one to call as people have pointed out there are many reasons why someone can’t wear a mask, but I find it hard to believe that someone can’t wear a mast for a visit to the shops, which is anywhere up to an hour max when I know two people who could refuse to wear a mask if they really wanted to. But when I asked my mrs why she carry’s on wearing it when she potentially doesn’t have to she said “to protect myself and others”. 

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3 hours ago, Stivo said:

My twenty something niece is working at a vaccination centre.  The vials were  intended to provide 5 doses but with care it is sometime possible to get an extra sixth full dose.  They cannot mix vials and when opened they have to use immediately.  Hence at the end of the session they sometimes have a few of these “bonus” doses left over and offer them to staff as you describe. 

Friends dad is a doc at a gp, they have the issue that if people just don't turn up they have these spare doses they'll give to staff/family etc. 

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It’s getting a bit confusing with what’s actually going on. 50000+ cases today, yet people are in a bigger state of lockdown than ever, now either no one is actually paying attention to the advice and rules, or what we’re doing isn’t working. All the pubs and other gathering places are shut, so it can’t be those places that are the problem. Surely everyone’s not going round each other’s houses. Personally I think it’s something to do with exposure time indoors, with people carrying the virus, which being cooped up doesn’t exactly help. And, although I do wear one, I also think that masks are a breeding ground for germs and I bet more people are catching the virus from adjusting or messing about with their mask with unsanitised hands, which obviously can’t be helped in everyday life, than breathing other people’s germs in.

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8 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

It’s getting a bit confusing with what’s actually going on. 50000+ cases today, yet people are in a bigger state of lockdown than ever, now either no one is actually paying attention to the advice and rules, or what we’re doing isn’t working. All the pubs and other gathering places are shut, so it can’t be those places that are the problem. Surely everyone’s not going round each other’s houses. Personally I think it’s something to do with exposure time indoors, with people carrying the virus, which being cooped up doesn’t exactly help. And, although I do wear one, I also think that masks are a breeding ground for germs and I bet more people are catching the virus from adjusting or messing about with their mask with unsanitised hands, which obviously can’t be helped in everyday life, than breathing other people’s germs in.

People aren’t in a bigger state of lockdown than ever? We’re all in tiers (now there’s a Freudian slip)
Just go to many different parts of Leicester to really get the sense of us being in hardly any type of lockdown

I was cycling up Narborough road earlier and there were lots of people milling about, most of the shops looked open and there were small crowds outside at least one of the ‘eateries’

Combining the two elements of:

1. People STILL not taking it all seriously and

2: No way of policing any of it

Equates to the massive number of new infections we are seeing now

 

People blame the government, personally I think ‘the people’ are hugely culpable 

 

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I'm struggling to believe the credibility of the testing system now that we've reported 53k cases today.  At what point do the testing figures come into question?

 

Then you've got the oracle in Ferguson linking this increase in cases with the greater, unsubstantiated, 70% more transmissibility of the new variant.  Of which there are thousands.

 

It all seems to me as if they're using figures to drive an agenda the longer this goes on.  

 

Lockdown 3 will happen.  It is a case of when not if.  

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Just now, Legend_in_blue said:

I'm struggling to believe the credibility of the testing system now that we've reported 53k cases today.  At what point do the testing figures come into question?

 

Then you've got the oracle in Ferguson linking this increase in cases with the greater, unsubstantiated, 70% more transmissibility of the new variant.  Of which there are thousands.

 

It all seems to me as if they're using figures to drive an agenda the longer this goes on.  

 

Lockdown 3 will happen.  It is a case of when not if.  

Yes it will

I give it a couple of weeks if the current infection rate continues 

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12 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

It’s getting a bit confusing with what’s actually going on. 50000+ cases today, yet people are in a bigger state of lockdown than ever, now either no one is actually paying attention to the advice and rules, or what we’re doing isn’t working. All the pubs and other gathering places are shut, so it can’t be those places that are the problem. Surely everyone’s not going round each other’s houses. Personally I think it’s something to do with exposure time indoors, with people carrying the virus, which being cooped up doesn’t exactly help. And, although I do wear one, I also think that masks are a breeding ground for germs and I bet more people are catching the virus from adjusting or messing about with their mask with unsanitised hands, which obviously can’t be helped in everyday life, than breathing other people’s germs in.

More likely to be increasing due to ar#eholes who are wearing their masks below their nose, around their chins around their necks or refuse to wear them at all.

Incidentally a jogger ran by us this morning, it was a cold morning and I was shocked at the amount of exhaled breath which was clearly visible, I would suggest 2 metres is no where near enough distancing from anyone jogging past you on a path.

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2 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

I'm struggling to believe the credibility of the testing system now that we've reported 53k cases today.  At what point do the testing figures come into question?

 

Then you've got the oracle in Ferguson linking this increase in cases with the greater, unsubstantiated, 70% more transmissibility of the new variant.  Of which there are thousands.

 

It all seems to me as if they're using figures to drive an agenda the longer this goes on.  

 

Lockdown 3 will happen.  It is a case of when not if.  

It probably will the way cases are rising again.  That's not a conspiracy.

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2 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said:

It probably will the way cases are rising again.  That's not a conspiracy.

Do people really think there’s any conspiracy going on? This has been the biggest confusion for me of everything that has gone on during Covid.. that there’s some conspiracy underlying it

Look at so many of the general hospitals across the country at the moment. They are bursting with Covid cases.

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Just now, Carl the Llama said:

It probably will the way cases are rising again.  That's not a conspiracy.

 

But are these "cases"?  Looking at the UK from overseas, there are plenty of scientists out there who question the PCR mass testing regime in the UK and state it should not be used on a mass scale as it is here.  Then you have to question the accuracy of the result itself as the thresholds set for these tests are overly sensitive and are most likely picking up non-infectious virus.

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1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

Do people really think there’s any conspiracy going on? This has been the biggest confusion for me of everything that has gone on during Covid.. that there’s some conspiracy underlying it

Look at so many of the general hospitals across the country at the moment. They are bursting with Covid cases.

Sadly yes.  A person can be intelligent, but people are fvcking stupid.

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1 minute ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

But are these "cases"?  Looking at the UK from overseas, there are plenty of scientists out there who question the PCR mass testing regime in the UK and state it should not be used on a mass scale as it is here.  Then you have to question the accuracy of the result itself as the thresholds set for these tests are overly sensitive and are most likely picking up non-infectious virus.

Don’t you believe that the General Hospitals in England are full to bursting with new cases? 
Genuine question 

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6 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Do people really think there’s any conspiracy going on? This has been the biggest confusion for me of everything that has gone on during Covid.. that there’s some conspiracy underlying it

Look at so many of the general hospitals across the country at the moment. They are bursting with Covid cases.

 

All locations UK wide are currently experiencing less hospital admissions in critical care beds than they have averaged over the last 3 years.

 

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The problem has not been addressed sufficiently over the past 3 to 5 years.  As soon as the numbers in the workforce are affected, along with running things close to capacity, as was the case in 2018, there's a problem.  

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1 minute ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

All locations UK wide are currently experiencing less hospital admissions than they have averaged over the last 3 years.

There's plenty of hospitals at over 98% capacity; with usually about 30% of that minimum being Covid.

 

That's even with having delayed/cancelled some planned procedures.

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10 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

All locations UK wide are currently experiencing less hospital admissions than they have averaged over the last 3 years.

Yes they are. Hospitals aren’t admitting patients for routine operations due to Covid 19

Have you been to one of these hospitals recently? Some of the clinics feel like ghost towns due to skeleton staff and very few patients. It’s part of the business continuity plans. Same with GP’s

I read last week that there are estimated as many people died over the past few months through not getting essential treatment (and most importantly TIMELY treatment) as have died directly due to Covid 19

Are you in England at the moment mate? And working in Healthcare?

Again, genuine question 

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6 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Do people really think there’s any conspiracy going on? This has been the biggest confusion for me of everything that has gone on during Covid.. that there’s some conspiracy underlying it

Look at so many of the general hospitals across the country at the moment. They are bursting with Covid cases.

You'd have to be blind not to see it or know of it first hand at this point, but I think if you are so inclined as to go down certain rabbit holes then all of can feed into that agenda quite easily.

 

And whilst I don't believe there is any such great conspiracy, I can certainly see how elements of what has happened over the last year feeds into what isn't even a conspiracy but just the way of life, that is how the ruling classes are exerting ever more oversight and control over the common person for their own financial gain.

 

This isn't really linked to covid, but if you (generally, not you specifically, Col) aren't questioning the powers that be and the actions that they are taking in 2020, then you are as naive as those who think Covid is a complete hoax are foolish.

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12 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Do people really think there’s any conspiracy going on? This has been the biggest confusion for me of everything that has gone on during Covid.. that there’s some conspiracy underlying it

Look at so many of the general hospitals across the country at the moment. They are bursting with Covid cases.

I don’t think anyone is claiming a conspiracy, apart from a few nut jobs but I think people are questioning the numbers, when you start talking a quarter of a million people per week catching it how many tests are they conducting? 5 million? These are big numbers and the logistics and reliability behind those figures does seem a bit questionable.

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