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Just now, Lionator said:

The prime minister was hopeful of normal by Christmas remember. 

 

I mean this was going to happen regardless of governance, however the timings and manner of lockdowns and have been handled much better in other european countries.

The NHS comes under huge pressure every winter. Surely after what we experienced in the spring we could've prepared better. As far as I know, we still don't have checks on incoming passengers. 

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10 minutes ago, bovril said:

How the **** did we get into this situation knowing how bad it was going to get in the winter. How are we seemingly totally unprepared for this. 

One curveball was the more infectious variant but you are right in that we should have been better prepared regardless.

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1 minute ago, Nalis said:

One curveball was the more infectious variant but you are right in that we should have been better prepared regardless.

It really isn't good enough. Those responsible will get away with it and Joe public will pay the ****ing price again. 

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5 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

It really isn't good enough. Those responsible will get away with it and Joe public will pay the ****ing price again. 

All is well, tier 5 is on the way, which just sounds like a solution doesn’t it........

 

It’s a ****ing good job this isn’t a brewery awaiting a piss up. It’s beyond ****ing farcical now.... if it wasn’t so serious I’d laugh. 

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6 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

It really isn't good enough. Those responsible will get away with it and Joe public will pay the ****ing price again. 

I can't fathom why we're not all in a lockdown right now. Before Christmas I could understand trying to squeeze what they could out of the economy but people basically hibernate in January anyway. 

 

Compliance will also increase if it's called a 'lockdown'. 

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10 minutes ago, Lionator said:

I can't fathom why we're not all in a lockdown right now. Before Christmas I could understand trying to squeeze what they could out of the economy but people basically hibernate in January anyway. 

 

Compliance will also increase if it's called a 'lockdown'. 

I wonder if it has anything to do with the Furlough scheme? Has it changed at all? I may be wrong but as far as I’m aware it’s no longer the 80% of wages paid by the government is it? 
 

My point being my company have already stated that they will not be topping up the wages during a furlough (they didn’t previously) so I am wondering if the fact they know as a full lockdown may be similar to before, which means a lot of people will be told to stay at home again, so furlough will be called upon once more. 

 

Perhaps they can’t afford to do it again? Or if they do a decide not to return to the previous 80% of wages paid by the government they know a lot of people will be out of work... which would be an absolute disaster. I’d be made redundant if we went into a full scale lock down again.  

 

Just thinking from another angle. 

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20 minutes ago, Stivo said:

I see that the number of vaccinations have been added to the government dashboard.  Now at 944K.

Has been on there for a few days.

 

Some good news to end the weekend on, around one in five people over the age of 80 have already been vaccinated.

 

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14 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

I wonder if it has anything to do with the Furlough scheme? Has it changed at all? I may be wrong but as far as I’m aware it’s no longer the 80% of wages paid by the government is it? 
 

My point being my company have already stated that they will not be topping up the wages during a furlough (they didn’t previously) so I am wondering if the fact they know as a full lockdown may be similar to before, which means a lot of people will be told to stay at home again, so furlough will be called upon once more. 

 

Perhaps they can’t afford to do it again? Or if they do a decide not to return to the previous 80% of wages paid by the government they know a lot of people will be out of work... which would be an absolute disaster. I’d be made redundant if we went into a full scale lock down again.  

 

Just thinking from another angle. 

I think the government still pay 80%.I don’t think they planned on having to reintroduce it to April levels again though.It would also be a clear admittance that Covid secure work places are anything but (We knew that anyway)They can use the new strain as an excuse I suppose.Regardless of furlough,it’s the last thing that businesses need right now.They still have to keep the lights on.I would think it’s a last resorter.

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944,000 vaccinations up to 27th December.

 

20 days worth of vaccines (first was on 7th Dec IIRC).

 

47,200 vaccines per day. Bearing in mind Xmas Day and Boxing Day so if we discount those 2 days, it's actually 52,444 vaccines per day.

 

I'd really like to see that figure ramped up if at all possible this month. I know we hit the 1m number during the week just gone but if we want to get on top of this virus/new variant that vaccine total/day has to increase significantly.

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This whole schools not going in is ridiculous. I understand them not going in during the first wave as the testing wasn’t there. But for headteachers to ignore government advice and decide not to go in is ridiculous. I’m sure there are a few of you on here that work in supermarkets and as delivery drivers and if collectively you decided that you didn’t feel it was safe to work, society would go to sh*t. Surely schools are equally as important as grocery shops. Teachers called themselves key workers in June time, so surely they’re still key workers now. You can’t pick and choose if your job is considered key or not when it best suits you. Get on with it like the rest of us. 

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49 minutes ago, Heathrow fox said:

I think the government still pay 80%.I don’t think they planned on having to reintroduce it to April levels again though.It would also be a clear admittance that Covid secure work places are anything but (We knew that anyway)They can use the new strain as an excuse I suppose.Regardless of furlough,it’s the last thing that businesses need right now.They still have to keep the lights on.I would think it’s a last resorter.

What the government has done, be it through incompetence or villainy is make furlough in the hospitality sector cost them a lot less. First lockdown all full time hourly paid hospitality workers got 80% of their pay based on the 12 weeks preceeding the lockdown. So basically 80% of 40 hours a week. Since the tier system came in to play they've made it so you still get 80% of the last 12 weeks. Problem is the last 12 weeks have been so dead because of all the restrictions imposed people are now getting 80% of much fewer hours. Its a joke I'm so much worse off it's unbelievable and now my credit is running out I don't know what I'm going to do. It's barbaric. 

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37 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

This whole schools not going in is ridiculous. I understand them not going in during the first wave as the testing wasn’t there. But for headteachers to ignore government advice and decide not to go in is ridiculous. I’m sure there are a few of you on here that work in supermarkets and as delivery drivers and if collectively you decided that you didn’t feel it was safe to work, society would go to sh*t. Surely schools are equally as important as grocery shops. Teachers called themselves key workers in June time, so surely they’re still key workers now. You can’t pick and choose if your job is considered key or not when it best suits you. Get on with it like the rest of us. 

The argument is that schools can provide their provision online effectively. 

 

And, in fairness, classrooms and schools just aren't safe for all involved. Not just the teachers. 

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16 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

What the government has done, be it through incompetence or villainy is make furlough in the hospitality sector cost them a lot less. First lockdown all full time hourly paid hospitality workers got 80% of their pay based on the 12 weeks preceeding the lockdown. So basically 80% of 40 hours a week. Since the tier system came in to play they've made it so you still get 80% of the last 12 weeks. Problem is the last 12 weeks have been so dead because of all the restrictions imposed people are now getting 80% of much fewer hours. Its a joke I'm so much worse off it's unbelievable and now my credit is running out I don't know what I'm going to do. It's barbaric. 

Very sneaky of them to do that.Is there a minimum payment?

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21 minutes ago, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

What the government has done, be it through incompetence or villainy is make furlough in the hospitality sector cost them a lot less. First lockdown all full time hourly paid hospitality workers got 80% of their pay based on the 12 weeks preceeding the lockdown. So basically 80% of 40 hours a week. Since the tier system came in to play they've made it so you still get 80% of the last 12 weeks. Problem is the last 12 weeks have been so dead because of all the restrictions imposed people are now getting 80% of much fewer hours. Its a joke I'm so much worse off it's unbelievable and now my credit is running out I don't know what I'm going to do. It's barbaric. 

Where are you located?

 

Last I knew supermarkets and Amazon were crying out for workers to cope with the extra demand. Look at delivery companies like DPD etc. as well. I think this will go on until at least April, so make sure you've got something else lined up.

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11 hours ago, Corky said:

I see a serious teaching shortage in the next few years. I'd imagine the thought of seeing children do well is very appealing but is it worth all the shit they have to put up with?

Ah, but we only work from 9.00 to 3.00 and have all those long holidays, remember?! 

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My Mrs spoke to her mate who is a nurse today.

 

General consensus where she works is that people are flouting the rules and doing nothing to stop this because there's no repercussions if you don't stick to the rules.

 

Too many people saying their human rights are being violated. 

 

Literally look at the idiots on Twitter spouting nonsense like that.

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25 minutes ago, tom27111 said:

My Mrs spoke to her mate who is a nurse today.

 

General consensus where she works is that people are flouting the rules and doing nothing to stop this because there's no repercussions if you don't stick to the rules.

 

Too many people saying their human rights are being violated. 

 

Literally look at the idiots on Twitter spouting nonsense like that.

Imagine this is what stopped Europe taking a nz type approach in March, even though it would have been better for health and the economy. 

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16 minutes ago, Fktf said:

Imagine this is what stopped Europe taking a nz type approach in March, even though it would have been better for health and the economy. 

 

Probably.

 

From the start, it was clear that any island nation should pretty much close it's borders.

 

Unfortunately, we don't have a Prime Minister with any leadership qualities. 

 

The woman in charge of New Zealand has bigger b0llocks than most blokes that are in charge of other nations.

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6 hours ago, Costock_Fox said:

Furlough is propping a lot of people up, without that we would see wholesale redundancies, people’s houses getting repossessed etc. 
 

The furlough cash needs to be paid back somehow, the tax rises will see cuts in spending which is probably cause issues.
 

it’s bad.

Subjective, isn't it?

 

We've already seen quantitative easing and you'd expect to see more of that moving forwards. (The banks announced they were printing £150bn in Nov.)

 

It's in everyone's interest, particularly the banks of course, for the economy to keep moving. So they'll keep on making it easier for the government to borrow without increasing interest rates, I imagine.

 

The inevitable result is inflation in the long run. Savers will have to be punished so as to encourage spending, because credit isn't going to be as easy to come by. How are the hundreds of thousands of people that have lost their jobs or are already up to their limit in credit going to borrow off the back of this? Short answer is they won't be able to. It's a long road back for those people, which starts with life returning to normal.

 

But top level it feels fine, if you have assets. If you're on the ladder already. And if you've not already lost your job. And it's kids in school now that I worry about, too.

 

From a personal standpoint, I've always felt in life that I got by just in time, i.e. one of the last years before £9k uni fees, being just young enough to benefit from studying with the aid of the world wide web while also coming into my career and finding a niche just as it was growing etc. 

 

But now, even more so. If I was 18 today I'd feel utterly hopeless. If I was in school now I'd be stressing the fvck out about my exam situation let alone anything else. And if I was only a few years younger I'd be worried about the rates I'd have to pay for a first mortgage, if I could get one at all. I feel fortunate.

 

This is what I mean about subjectivity. The economy, for me, looks fine. It plays to my circumstances. I hate sanctimony and I'd hate for people to think I was guilty of it, so I'll try to keep this bit short, but I wish more people could see beyond their own circumstances. I've whined in this thread about lockdowns slowing down business for me, but ultimately I'm fine and I'll be fine. This whole thing will truly bugger so many people, which is devastating.

 

Ultimately the economy will survive, but a lot of people will suffer from this. The gap between the haves and have nots will widen further, but then middle England seems to like the idea of that to the point they vote for it. Go figure.

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