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2 minutes ago, kingfox said:

This graph perfectly proved how incompetent they’ve been

 

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So incompetent they've actually stated estimates, when they know the actual figures which look worse and unnatural!  They assume people won't notice.

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4 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

How do you get daily figures of 60,000 positive tests..... I’m not the sort to believe in alien invasions, but I do find that hard to believe....

It's 60,000 positive results - they can be across a range of dates when the test took place. 

 

To give an idea 466k tests were taken yesterday. 

 

Worrying the hospitalisation figures haven't been updated for a week - https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/#

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3 minutes ago, kingfox said:

This graph perfectly proved how incompetent they’ve been

 

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2 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

So incompetent they've actually stated estimates, when they know the actual figures which look worse!  Utterly clueless.

That graph is from the ONS and not govt. it is arrived at by using many thousands of ‘volunteer families’ out there who are tested every week and the results are then extrapolated to give national estimates. Thus far this has proved more accurate than the actual govt data which cannot account for people who don’t get tested or are asymptomatic.

 

 

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Whitty: "People need to take this stay at home message seriously"........

 

Boris: "Go to work if you can't work from home".......

 

i prefer not to speak - YouTube

 

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18 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

So incompetent they've actually stated estimates, when they know the actual figures which look worse and unnatural!  They assume people won't notice.

You are misunderstanding (at least I think you are)


There are people with covid19 and people detected by PCR tests which is lower than the former as only people with symptoms will go to be tested ( and not all of those).  As you have correctly said there are occasions in which extra testing or people becoming more worried may lead to more people being tested.

 

The main point of PCR testing  is meant to be to prevent spreading by tracing the contacts of people who test positive.

 

You can crudely  double the PCR positive rate as an approximation but the ONS also do statistical surveys of a fixed group of I think 10k people who they test regularly to see how many currently have covid19.  
 

With suitable statistical adjustments this allows them to estimate more accurately how many people currently have it in the population as a whole.  This is normal statistical sampling it isn’t something underhand. 
 

The most important thing remains hospital admissions, PCR positive tests and the ONS stats are leading indicators with the latter being more accurate.


edit I see @st albans fox beat me to it.

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10 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

 

That graph is from the ONS and not govt. it is arrived at by using many thousands of ‘volunteer families’ out there who are tested every week and the results are then extrapolated to give national estimates. Thus far this has proved more accurate than the actual govt data which cannot account for people who don’t get tested or are asymptomatic.

 

 

Fair enough, sounds legit.  However, here is the current data from govt:

 

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Now as well as all regions increasing massively everywhere at the same time, two regions are now completely flat, including London.  It looks odd.  Worth keeping tabs on.  As a projection, I'd expect these figures to drop off once lockdown takes effect.  Whether or not that's due to lockdown is open to debate though.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

What a dick asking about next winters possible restrictions 

Who asked that? ****ing hell, let's get through the next six weeks first!

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11 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

Then I didn't paint the scenarios painted clearly enough.  The point is that Jimmy with an extended family can see people from four households including at least 8 parents, stepparents, and uncles and aunts, from all round the country, legally,  If Johnny who has only three relatives, all living within 50 yards, sees them all, then he is breaking the rules; but it doesn't mean that Johnny is spreading the virus more than Jimmy.

How are Jimmy's family creating bubbles with all these other families? I understand that he is entitled to spend time with both parents, but you yourself said that bubbles can only be formed with single adult families, so surely he can't be allowed to see all these people? My husband has 2 children from his previous marriage, and if they come to see us they can't see anyone else as we can't form a bubble with anyone as we are a 2 adult household.  If Jimmy's parents have remarried, or are at least living with another adult, they cannot form a bubble so they will be the only households Jimmy can visit, no?

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1 minute ago, Collymore said:

Chris Witty was talking about death so nonchalantly, I wouldn't want him in charge of my life support machine. 

He's right though.

 

We all take an element of risk when it comes to death in life.

 

If we lose 20k people year to regular flu, we can't contemplate having measures in place for covid if the numbers drop to this level or below due to vaccinations.

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11 minutes ago, Stivo said:

they are currently updated every Thursday and Boris said from next week they will update daily.

Thank you. Wasn't aware and missed Boris saying that :thumbup:

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32 minutes ago, StanSP said:

And vaccinations numbers still stuck on 27th Dec... 

They're updated weekly on Thursdays for the data up to the previous Sunday.

 

Edit: Ah, someone beat me to it 🙂

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34 minutes ago, StanSP said:

And vaccinations numbers still stuck on 27th Dec... 

They get updated every Thursday I believe, so the 3rd Jan info will be available in 48 hours.

 

EDIT: There's an echo in here.

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