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In my workplace the vast majority have been great in terms of mask wearing, distancing, sanitising hands and workstations. Really impressed and encouraged by it and we've only had a few isolated cases.

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7 hours ago, Line-X said:

lol

 

You mean you've gone from this..

 

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To this?...

 

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Not by design or intent, but arrived at the early 69 look minus the wire rimmed bins....

 

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I should have known we were gonna lock down again now I deeply regret my decision. 

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8 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

originally it was two weeks, what's changed?

They've changed approach.

 

Giving as many people as possible in the high risk groups one dose first 

 

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21 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said:

originally it was two weeks, what's changed?

I thought that the new vaccine worked best with 12 weeks between jabs?  The Pfizer one was two weeks but is more difficult to store and transport.

 

Also, the new one gives greater protection after one jab so they are trying to jab as many as possible in the top 4 groups with their first dose.  I expect it will be into May before many of those get the second dose.

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On 05/01/2021 at 11:16, Facecloth said:

All school will know of the possibility of closure, they will have contingency plans for it. The problem is that they have been told about this at 8pm at night the day before intended closure, when nothing has changed so dramatically that that decision couldn't have been taken much earlier.

 

I think you confusing being aware of the possibility and having a plan, with actually being given time to act on the plan you have in place.

So if nothing has changed, why has the alert level moved to 5? I'm not disbelieving you when you say nothing has changed, but I thought the decision to close the schools was always going to be a last resort, and therefore pretty last minute? 

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1 minute ago, FoxesDeb said:

So if nothing has changed, why has the alert level moved to 5? I'm not disbelieving you when you say nothing has changed, but I thought the decision to close the schools was always going to be a last resort, and therefore pretty last minute

I'm not sure the two really equate?

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13 minutes ago, FoxesDeb said:

So if nothing has changed, why has the alert level moved to 5? I'm not disbelieving you when you say nothing has changed, but I thought the decision to close the schools was always going to be a last resort, and therefore pretty last minute? 

What change so drastically that it couldn't be seen the direction we were heading that he be a little proactive. As the post above says, last resort doesn't have to be last minute.

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Why are people being so convinced that the plan to lock down again was known long ago, but only announced at the last minute?

Surely, recognising the impact of changes made mean this was always going to a last gasp/last minute/last tango announcement?

Maybe I missed some info, apologies if so. :dunno:

 

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5 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Why are people being so convinced that the plan to lock down again was known long ago, but only announced at the last minute?

Surely, recognising the impact of changes made mean this was always going to a last gasp/last minute/last tango announcement?

Maybe I missed some info, apologies if so. :dunno:

 

Sage adviced them to shut schools back in the 22nd of December (and that wasn't just for Christmas).

We have had 50k plus cases and rising for weeks, the deaths, and hospital admissions have been rising rapidly too. 

 

Yes we were put in alert level 5 on Sunday, but waiting until you hit that point is surely like applying the breaks as you reach the cliff edge.

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2 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

Sage adviced them to shut schools back in the 22nd of December (and that wasn't just for Christmas).

We have had 50k plus cases and riding for weeks, the deaths, and hospital admissions have been rising rapidly too. 

 

Yes we were put in alert level 5 on Sunday, but waiting until you hit that point us surely like applying the breaks as you reach the cliff edge.

Complex problem I would suggest, a blunt close the schools relates to the reduction of transmission in school settings? Where do these kids go? The balancing act is tricky, seen plenty of teenagers, younger, milling about (No, I am not blaming them, it’s a society wide requirement).
 

Are children, certainly secondary school kids supposed to sit tight? Would be great if so, but it’s a real hard problem.

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52 minutes ago, nnfox said:

I thought that the new vaccine worked best with 12 weeks between jabs?  The Pfizer one was two weeks but is more difficult to store and transport.

 

Also, the new one gives greater protection after one jab so they are trying to jab as many as possible in the top 4 groups with their first dose.  I expect it will be into May before many of those get the second dose.

Can understand the 2nd bit in wanting as many people legible and possible getting the first vaccine. But with researchers and scientists who produced the vaccine say the best chance of efficacy is within 21 days (Pfizer) or 28 days (Oxford), surely it's best to try and stick to that? The government very hastily changed the approach to almost ignore those time-frames to make it 12 weeks probably in favour of getting as many people as possible vaccinated with first dose and worry about the 2nd dose later.

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Just now, StanSP said:

Can understand the 2nd bit in wanting as many people legible and possible getting the first vaccine. But with researchers and scientists who produced the vaccine say the best chance of efficacy is within 21 days (Pfizer) or 28 days (Oxford), surely it's best to try and stick to that? The government very hastily changed the approach to almost ignore those time-frames to make it 12 weeks probably in favour of getting as many people as possible vaccinated with first dose and worry about the 2nd dose later.

It feels again like we're too hasty to get back to normality and end up ****ing up. 

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4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Complex problem I would suggest, a blunt close the schools relates to the reduction of transmission in school settings? Where do these kids go? The balancing act is tricky, seen plenty of teenagers, younger, milling about (No, I am not blaming them, it’s a society wide requirement).
 

Are children, certainly secondary school kids supposed to sit tight? Would be great if so, but it’s a real hard problem.

But what suddenly changed on Sunday apart from the alert level that meant that schools needed shutting immediately? He sat on the Marr show and said they were safe, and then suddenly they are not. The numbers were rising in all factors and suddenly schools became unsafe in 24 hours. 

 

I'm not criticising the shutting of schools, I'm not even criticising waiting until Monday, I'm criticising waiting until Monday to shut them on Tuesday. If they weren't safe, make the decision earlier and shut them before Monday as you can see the number going up. If you really don't want to do it then wait, but give a few days notice before shutting them. What they done is managed to produce the worst of both scenarios.

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Just now, Facecloth said:

But what suddenly changed on Sunday apart from the alert level that meant that schools needed shutting immediately? He sat on the Marr show and said they were safe, and then suddenly they are not. The numbers were rising in all factors and suddenly schools became unsafe in 24 hours. 

 

I'm not criticising the shutting of schools, I'm not even criticising waiting until Monday, I'm criticising waiting until Monday to shut them on Tuesday. If they weren't safe, make the decision earlier and shut them before Monday as you can see the number going up. If you really don't want to do it then wait, but give a few days notice before shutting them. What they done is managed to produce the worst of both scenarios.

You may be right, and they could and should have acted earlier, but perhaps the required data to make the decision only became available over the weekend? I do not mean Sage’s guidance, they would always recommend a lockdown as it saves lives and transmission. However, the decision had to be paid with many factors I would assume, such as unpalatable fiscal damage, mental health. It is already reported the effect lockdown and school closures have on childrens mental health, eating disorders, etc (clearly I am biased being a parent)

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4 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said:

Germany and other European countries are considering delaying the second dose so not like it's Boris's idea. 

Yeh. There is no way Boris ever made that decision anyway. 

 

Seems like it will be the norm for more immediate impact 

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15 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

You may be right, and they could and should have acted earlier, but perhaps the required data to make the decision only became available over the weekend? I do not mean Sage’s guidance, they would always recommend a lockdown as it saves lives and transmission. However, the decision had to be paid with many factors I would assume, such as unpalatable fiscal damage, mental health. It is already reported the effect lockdown and school closures have on childrens mental health, eating disorders, etc (clearly I am biased being a parent)

I don't think you're biased. There must be thousands of parents worrying about their children right now. It's in a child's nature to mix and play and interact with other children, to have fun and learn how to build friendships. They can't do that very outside of the school setting. they might have a few friends that they might play with or socialise with away from school but school is where you make your first best friend and often a friend for life. To not have that interaction is damaging as it isolates kids and drives them to solitary pastimes like online games and such. They need to mix with their peers to gain confidence and understanding in how relationships work. 

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2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

You may be right, and they could and should have acted earlier, but perhaps the required data to make the decision only became available over the weekend? I do not mean Sage’s guidance, they would always recommend a lockdown as it saves lives and transmission. However, the decision had to be paid with many factors I would assume, such as unpalatable fiscal damage, mental health. It is already reported the effect lockdown and school closures have on childrens mental health, eating disorders, etc (clearly I am biased being a parent)

 

I appreciate that there has to be an official point we reach before schools shut, but what point during Christmas week where everyday we have 50k plus cases, with deaths and hospital cases rising did the Prime Minister decide it was a good idea to go on national TV and declare school safe and that they would be staying open 24 hours before they were due to. Surely they data was heading in a direction that said that was extremely close to no longer being the case, and would have been for days. So maybe just maybe, whilst they were off, and the teachers had time to react, and it wouldn't affect the education as much as complete closure like some have had for the last couple of days, it would have been a good idea to be a bit proactive and at least plant the seed we were heading towards it.

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23 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Can understand the 2nd bit in wanting as many people legible and possible getting the first vaccine. But with researchers and scientists who produced the vaccine say the best chance of efficacy is within 21 days (Pfizer) or 28 days (Oxford), surely it's best to try and stick to that? The government very hastily changed the approach to almost ignore those time-frames to make it 12 weeks probably in favour of getting as many people as possible vaccinated with first dose and worry about the 2nd dose later.

This is what annoyed me when Whitty attempted to defend this position yesterday.  He said the decision was made on scientific grounds but clearly the science behind the vaccine states the 21 days, not 90 days.  What he is defending is a hunch which he thinks is worth the risk and nothing more.  

 

The problem is govt or SAGE or whichever misinformed group make these decisions, it's irrelevant who it is, they're so far down the rabbit hole of the lockdown mantra and restrictions easing "cases" based on dodgy PCR testing, they won't back out of this now.  It's unfortunate, but when Whitty states there will be restrictions of some sort until next winter, I believe him, because this train of thought is a product of the route they've decided to take.  

 

Meanwhile, until Ferguson is kicked out (imo he's caused more damage than ever Cummings has) this will roll on and on and on.  

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