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Just now, Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot said:

Isn't everyone then touching the extension on the handle rather than the handle? What's the difference? 

You use your forearm rather than hand.

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5 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

Has anyone else saw the incident recorded in Aberdeen where two officers force their way into a house (which is now legal due to legislation) on suspicion of Covid breaches, forcing what I first thought was a minor (turns out she was 18) to the floor, and getting physical and aggressive with the two residents causing one of the woman (I'm not sure if it's the 18 year old or the mother) to have an epileptic seizure whilst young kids look on? 

 

It's quiet distressing to be honest. 

Makes me feel sick. 

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2 minutes ago, Harrydc said:

Makes me feel sick. 

It's a very uncomfortable watch. I'm a full on SNP supporter but there is no getting away from the fact that the legislation they passed allowing police to enter your house uninvited, caused this. Along with the aggressive manner of the officers. 

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6 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

Has anyone else saw the incident recorded in Aberdeen where two officers force their way into a house (which is now legal due to legislation) on suspicion of Covid breaches, forcing what I first thought was a minor (turns out she was 18) to the floor, and getting physical and aggressive with the two residents causing one of the woman (I'm not sure if it's the 18 year old or the mother) to have an epileptic seizure whilst young kids look on? 

 

It's quiet distressing to be honest. 

 

Saw this earlier today. Looked nasty.  Again the gov't are to blame for not setting out clear guidance, with too many grey areas, rushing things through.

 

Similar to the incident yesterday where those two women were fined for not breaking any rules in the guidance.  5 miles is local and drinking coffee is in itself not deemed as having a picnic according to a standard dictionary definition.  These police forces are treading on thin ice.  Surely they have better ways to occupy their time.  

 

Too many grey areas and it's open to misinterpretation.  Bridgen mentioned this and for once I agree with him.  

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

They look a bit like this

 

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So people touch the green thing instead of the handle :D 

 

I guess it allows you to open the door with your elbow? Nifty little contraption

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11 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

Saw this earlier today. Looked nasty.  Again the gov't are to blame for not setting out clear guidance, with too many grey areas, rushing things through.

 

Similar to the incident yesterday where those two women were fined for not breaking any rules in the guidance.  5 miles is local and drinking coffee is in itself not deemed as having a picnic according to a standard dictionary definition.  These police forces are treading on thin ice.  Surely they have better ways to occupy their time.  

 

Too many grey areas and it's open to misinterpretation.  Bridgen mentioned this and for once I agree with him.  

 

 

...And the legislations they are putting through don't make sense in direct comparisson to long standing laws. 

For example, if those people in that video were suspected of selling crack to kids, the police officers would have needed a warrant to come into 5heir house but because they were suspected of having a couple of friends and family in their living room, it is entirely legal for essentially two maked men to use physical force to gain access to their property. 

 

In what world does that make sense?

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27 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

It's a very uncomfortable watch. I'm a full on SNP supporter but there is no getting away from the fact that the legislation they passed allowing police to enter your house uninvited, caused this. Along with the aggressive manner of the officers. 

And some people will think this is ok.

Brainwashed members of the public agreeing with the  strong arm tactics of the police.

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2 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

And some people will think this is ok.

Absolutely. There is no excuse for it. If officers truly believe there is a party going on, just wait. Wether I be in your car or in the tenement outside the house. If there IS a party going on, you're going to see people coming and going in which case you can question them, demand ID and get a better indication of what is going on. 

 

It may be time consuming but at the very least it would ensure the safety of not only the suspects but the officers. 

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9 minutes ago, Foxy_Bear said:

...And the legislations they are putting through don't make sense in direct comparisson to long standing laws. 

For example, if those people in that video were suspected of selling crack to kids, the police officers would have needed a warrant to come into 5heir house but because they were suspected of having a couple of friends and family in their living room, it is entirely legal for essentially two maked men to use physical force to gain access to their property. 

 

In what world does that make sense?

Well, during an epidemic it was acceptable to drive over 300 miles to Barnard Castle but, during a winter resurgence, you can't travel 5 miles it seems.  

 

I'm not saying I would do either, I can't understand why you'd travel in your local area "where possible" (that's what guidance states) for a walk in freezing cold weather for example, but contrasting the two scenarios there makes a mockery of the restrictions hence why you'll continually get idiots who flaunt the rules in equal measure to those taking the moral high ground over it dobbing others in as was the case in Scotland you originally referred to.

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20 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Well, during an epidemic it was acceptable to drive over 300 miles to Barnard Castle but, during a winter resurgence, you can't travel 5 miles it seems.  

 

I'm not saying I would do either, I can't understand why you'd travel in your local area "where possible" (that's what guidance states) for a walk in freezing cold weather for example, but contrasting the two scenarios there makes a mockery of the restrictions hence why you'll continually get idiots who flaunt the rules in equal measure to those taking the moral high ground over it dobbing others in as was the case in Scotland you originally referred to.

It also leaves us in a bizarre situation where if I suspected my neighnmbours of doing something illeagal on their property, instead of reporting it, I would be better served to say they where having a party.... Its mental. 

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1 hour ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

Saw this earlier today. Looked nasty.  Again the gov't are to blame for not setting out clear guidance, with too many grey areas, rushing things through.

 

Similar to the incident yesterday where those two women were fined for not breaking any rules in the guidance.  5 miles is local and drinking coffee is in itself not deemed as having a picnic according to a standard dictionary definition.  These police forces are treading on thin ice.  Surely they have better ways to occupy their time.  

 

Too many grey areas and it's open to misinterpretation.  Bridgen mentioned this and for once I agree with him.  

 

 

I think the police should be laying down what they will and won't do and what we can do and can't do as the system allows them to interpret one way that, as it appears, is different to what the general public interpret the rules to be. As it is, i could could go for a walk with the dog and get fined.

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In the last few pages the penny seems to be dropping.

 

1 hour ago, filbertway said:

What are these? I'm trying to imagine such a device and I can't think of anything haha

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Hands Free Pull Door Foot Opener - 102 x 70 x 129mm - Grey

Google 'Foot Pull'.

(Obviously these types only work on doors without latches - Although there are ways around that)

 

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1 hour ago, Chrysalis said:

The school situation is ridiculous, liberties been taken, I read on another site a lady sent her child in with a note saying she is a keyworker, she works at mcdonalds.

 

50% attendance is way too high, I know people who work in offices working on site instead of home, also many business that were closed in spring are open now.  In effect this is a bait and switch, government pretending they doing a proper lockdown but under the hood it isnt.  

But she is a 'keyworker' then as her workplace is open so she is expected to be there? If she doesn't go in she isn't getting paid, so can you blame her?

 

That's why a full lockdown with all these workplaces closed will never work, we can't function as a society if we close them all down.

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3 hours ago, reynard said:

Even more bizarre you can go and view houses etc with the intention of buying one. Why would anyone want to allow people into their house right now unless for emergency repairs?

No idea unless people are so strapped they are having to sell up?

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14 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

I think the police should be laying down what they will and won't do and what we can do and can't do as the system allows them to interpret one way that, as it appears, is different to what the general public interpret the rules to be. As it is, i could could go for a walk with the dog and get fined.

You can walk your dog LOCALLY.

Just don’t get in your car and go five miles up the road

 

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59 minutes ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

And some people will think this is ok.

Brainwashed members of the public agreeing with the  strong arm tactics of the police.

There’s got to be some strong arm

People aren’t listening and people are dying

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3 hours ago, reynard said:

Even more bizarre you can go and view houses etc with the intention of buying one. Why would anyone want to allow people into their house right now unless for emergency repairs?

  • Divorce/Splitting up, people have been stuck in the house together for almost a year, it's caused a lot of seperations
  • Couples who lived apart want to be together and live together incase this carries on for another lengthy period of time
  • Youngsters who want to get out, almost a year living with family isn't the easiest thing to do
  • People want more space having just been isolated for ages, imagine having a young family but having a tiny garden, these people want to move incase we have to keep locking down again
  • Spare cash due to lockdown so some lucky people have saved thousands or even tens of thousands
  • Stamp Duty freeze means that people who would normally pay thousands didn't have to if they completed before March
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2 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Potentially you could take a dog for a walk and walk 5 miles though?

Ffs you know what I mean

Just use some common sense, don’t be a berk and walk your dog local

(Not aimed at you mate), talking in general

Is the country devoid of common sense now? Or do people just want to argue every fookin thing?

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5 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Ffs you know what I mean

Just use some common sense, don’t be a berk and walk your dog local

(Not aimed at you mate), talking in general

Is the country devoid of common sense now? Or do people just want to argue every fookin thing?

 

People will argue it though when the guidelines are open to interpretation.  At what point does local not become local for example?

 

 

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1 hour ago, yorkie1999 said:

Is that local?

Surely it's better to walk in open space if there's the chance?

 

I'd rather the authorities clamped down on people gathering in huge groups and blatantly not caring about themselves and others than single out people going for a distanced walk in the open air a few miles from home.

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21 minutes ago, Corky said:

Surely it's better to walk in open space if there's the chance?

 

I'd rather the authorities clamped down on people gathering in huge groups and blatantly not caring about themselves and others than single out people going for a distanced walk in the open air a few miles from home.

where is this happening, I’ve not seen it, 2s and 3s maybe, it might be different in the cities, but personally I’ve not seen it. The only place I’ve seen a lot of people is Morrison’s as I drive home from work, oh, and McDonald’s, which always seems to have cars queuing down the street.

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It will be interesting to see what Derbyshire police's response is when they review their lockdown procedures.  According to their logic, taking Bradgate Park as an example, no cars should be being admitted at present and only the local population of Newtown Linford should be walking to it.  Surely Bradgate Park are at odds with the regulations themselves by allowing cars into the car park in the first place?

 

 

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