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28 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

That sounds reasonable - and the 200,000 figure sounds familiar. I think he said 200,000 were vaccinated yesterday?

 

But Marr specifically asked him for the total figure and he said around 2 million in total so far.

There is a MASSIVE amount of work going on behind the scenes by dedicated workers to try to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible. It’s happening here in Leicester as we speak 

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35 minutes ago, reynard said:

This is the problem. Would they have been fined if they had walked to the reservoir and back? We generally police by consent in this country and have done for many years. This only works where laws are seen to be fair and just and the enforcement of them seen to be proportionate. This particular case just exemplifies the double problem we have here. The police are working with guidelines/rules that are not specific enough and the public are, on the whole, trying to abide by the same guidelines/rules.

We've been asked by the governement to apply common sense. To me the common sense respsone in this case, as it has been reported, would have been to advise these women that, though they were only 5 miles form home and were excercising sensibly, that, they(the police), did not think it was in the spirit of the rule and to please go home and don't come again. Even their MP considers they were going locally to excercise.

 

Where strict enforcement is required is in case such as these

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55604382

 

Absolutely no excuse for people from Leicester to be there and they should be fined.

 

It would have been very easy, as they have done in Ireland, to specify local area distances for excercise from your home.

 

We need to target people shopping without masks, get supermarkets to control numbers and to enforce shopping is done by one person only. Reducing the number of kids at school and closing nurseries would also possibly help.

 

They only other way to go is by curfews, forcibly closing all businesses not to do with food or medecine ie supermarkets, butchers etc, and I'd include Amazon in this closure whose warehouses employ a great many people who could otherwise be at home and similar online retailers.

 

Have we? 

 

The biggest bugbear I have is that common sense has not been asked nor applied  at any level. I listen to radio 2 and fivelive and every single day there are people calling and texting asking if some bizarre set of circumstances  is allowed 'within the rules' or not

 

I'm just, like, work it out for your fackin self. 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Trumpet said:

I don’t like it when they say “vaccinated”, I think as of Wednesday there were a total of 30k* people that had received the second jab. That to me is vaccinated.

 

*not 100% numbers, I’m sure I heard them on the news

You made a fair point, while its great we are giving so many their first jabs , there is a distinction between vaccinated and the first jab.

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3 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

Have we? 

 

The biggest bugbear I have is that common sense has not been asked nor applied  at any level. I listen to radio 2 and fivelive and every single day there are people calling and texting asking if some bizarre set of circumstances  is allowed 'within the rules' or not

 

I'm just, like, work it out for your fackin self. 

 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/df14c89b-6cab-464b-ad15-fe9c45fb0f42

 

https://www.ft.com/content/8e0e1632-95cb-11ea-899a-f62a20d54625

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18740216.coronavirus-boris-johnson-says-common-sense-single-greatest-weapon/

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/05/11/use-good-solid-british-common-sense-boris-johnson-tells-public/

 

Loads more egs out there. But probably enough.

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2 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Some people have become really strange over the last year. There’s questioning about absolutely everything, I think, borne out of boredom and frustration.

Common sense seems to have gone out the window in favour of ‘what if I did this, what would happen if I do that’ etc rather than ‘let me think this through and be sensible and safe’

There’s a real blame game going on too. ‘The government should have done this, they’ve got this wrong, it’s someone else’s fault etc’

Self responsibility seems to have vanished in favour of critiquing everyone else’s view

Weird times...

Super post Col :appl:

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12 minutes ago, Nalis said:

You made a fair point, while its great we are giving so many their first jabs , there is a distinction between vaccinated and the first jab.

The disparity between receiving a jab and being vaccinated opens the door for news articles similar to one that I read yesterday in that a front line nhs worker caught Covid despite being “vaccinated”. Turns out they caught it between their first and second vaccine which to my understanding is possible and highly likely given the time it takes for complete vaccination after the second jab. 


It’s just fuel for the David Icke brigade.

 

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/09/nurse-catches-covid-three-weeks-after-getting-pfizer-vaccine-13875410/

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3 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

The first question is how did the friends get there? were they in the same vehicle?

 

Also The point about the police been draconian proves that draconian policies are needed, these two women no way would have willingly complied with a simple quiet word, they clearly dont accept they in the wrong by the fact they went to the press, if anything this story shows we need more enforcement.

 

People may be "losing their minds" as you call it because they respect what is happening, hospitals are at breaking point, non covid health care has pretty much stopped, the economy is been strangled.  Yet you shrug it off as if its nothing, people need to learn to comply with the rules, they are very lucky we have a government who is incredibly weak minded so compliance enforcement has been minimal.

 

Personally I dont understand why at this point we dont have manned roadblocks in place.  Far too many people think the world evolves around them, and dont understand the consequences of their actions.

The two women in question in the story claimed they took seperate vehicles.

 

I don't disagree what all of what you're saying, but these women did no wrong according to the laws, the guidelines are too vague and allow people to do this. If they appealed that fine in court I'm fairly sure it'd get quashed. How many people do you think are not complying with the rules? It'll be a small amount compared to the overall population.

 

We've known since March that this is coming, yet the Goverment appears to have done the minimal about it. Ah, I'm like a broken record on here, it's pointless. Where was the thousands of extra staff that should have been recruited? We've had ICU nurses on here tell us the easiest way to take the burden off them is by having more turning teams, yet it's something the NHS hasn't put in place and their calls for help have largely been ignored.

 

Fair enough if you want roadblocks and harsh measures like that, but it absolutely won't stop the spread of Coronavirus and it'll probably just end up pissing the public off even more. In most of these studies, the virus is passing on in supermarkets, hospitals, care homes, colleges and schools. I don't know the exact figure but we're probably talking about way less than a percent of cases are caused by someone driving to a secluded spot and going for a walk (aslong as they're following the rules).

 

You seem to be perfectly happy doing what you're doing, but unfortunately not everyone has the same mental health as you, not everyone is in the same situation as you, not everyone will have family and friends bring them dinner if their cooker breaks, not everyone can go to work all week and happily sit around doing nothing on their one day off, not everyone is happy to not see what could be their last remaining months with their older reletives.

 

As I've said previously, stop judging people.

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9 minutes ago, Nalis said:

You made a fair point, while its great we are giving so many their first jabs , there is a distinction between vaccinated and the first jab.

Correct I believe that figures quoted are for all vaccinations, which include second vaccinations given (around 200,000).  So there is some way to go.

 

My eldest works in a care home and to date none of the staff or residents have been vaccinated.

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1 minute ago, reynard said:

Fair enough. But the message hasn't reached me. Moat people seem preoccupied with seeking exact definitions of bubbles, gardens, exercise, rules of six, self.isolations and definitions of local areas. 

 

I'd rather the government had championed these above listed common sense messages more and a bit less about the other crap

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Mrs has her first first jab today,got offered it as she is a cleaner in the hospital. next one not until March I think she said. Also said they told her there isn’t much protection at all until the Second jab. Said would prob feel a bit rubbish like a cold for a few weeks as well. 

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30 minutes ago, StanSP said:

For anyone who says, or comes across anyone who does, show them this... 

 

 

 

All I take from that is that COVID is only about 3 times as bad as flu in terms of ICU admissions, something we barely give a second thought to.

 

Of course, that is despite having restrictions in place. So to compare like for like, it'd be worse than 3 times worse.

 

I just can't help feeling the biggest issue is how stretched the NHS is/was. Any spike was going to burst it.

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2 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Have we? 

 

The biggest bugbear I have is that common sense has not been asked nor applied  at any level. I listen to radio 2 and fivelive and every single day there are people calling and texting asking if some bizarre set of circumstances  is allowed 'within the rules' or not

 

I'm just, like, work it out for your fackin self. 

 

 

If people need to question the rules then the rules are not specific enough.  Stay at home but you can go out for walk if it is local, well I would have said that foremark reservoir is local to Ashby. So common sense tells you that walking round a vast open space where on a normal day you hardly see any one is  million more times safer than walking round the local park where everyone is going, but the common sense approach doesn’t work, cos there’s a bunch of coppers lying in wait, whilst I may add taking in the scenery, but not patrolling the local park.

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3 hours ago, Col city fan said:

There is a MASSIVE amount of work going on behind the scenes by dedicated workers to try to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible. It’s happening here in Leicester as we speak 

I'm sure there is and it is going to take a massive amount of wrok to get anywhere near their ambitious targets.

Spoke to my mother-in-law this morning who lives in the North West. She's in her ealry 80s and received a letter yesterday from the NHS instructing her to book a jab online. So she went online and the nearest location was a 25 mile drive whilst another was a 60 mile drive away. The first available appointments were not until the middle of February. As other people on the same street have been phoned by their GP practice and told that they should expect to be called from the end of the first week of February until the end of the month she's decided to wait until he gets a call. These people are all in their 80s. So still some  way to go until even the 70+ are vaccinated in her area, probably the end of March at a guess.

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3 hours ago, Free Falling Foxes said:

Those saying the two women who drove 5 miles to go for a walk had not broken any rules/ guidelines, yes they had. They live in a tier 4 area and you are not supposed to travel outside of that area, not even to another tier 4 area.

Also, those who try and muddy the waters by saying what do they mean by local, well I doubt you would jump in your car and drive 5 miles to your local shop.

You are allowed to travel between two different tier 4 areas for specified reasons, although I don't believe exercise is one of those reasons, that's limited to your 'local area', but again, what constitutes local area to you might be completely different to me. Some people who live in the countryside (not that these pair probably do mind) won't even have a shop for 2 or 3 miles near them, so getting into the car and traveling 5 miles to go to the shop is an entirely realistic scenario that happens everyday.

 

I find it absolutely mental that we're at the point now in this country where we're happy to fine people for traveling to go for a peaceful walk on their day off, especially when the circumstances might mean that it's entirely the safest scenario for certain people. If they were travelling 50 miles I'd understand it, but 5 miles? Come on.

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2 minutes ago, Otis said:

I take it all those people were issued with a fine.

Much easier to fine people on a isolated walk.

So where were the police breaking up crowds that are not practicing social distancing?

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2 minutes ago, reynard said:

I'm sure there is and it is going to take a massive amount of wrok to get anywhere near their ambitious targets.

Spoke to my mother-in-law this morning who lives in the North West. She's in her ealry 80s and received a letter yesterday from the NHS instructing her to book a jab online. So she went online and the nearest location was a 25 mile drive whilst another was a 60 mile drive away. The first available appointments were not until the middle of February. As other people on the same street have been phoned by their GP practice and told that they should expect to be called from the end of the first week of February until the end of the month she's decided to wait until he gets a call. These people are all in their 80s. So still some  way to go until even the 70+ are vaccinated in her area, probably the end of March at a guess.

Apparently a third of over 80s have already been vaccinated according to Hancock.

 

Maybe next week they'll open up a more local vaccination centre, so hopefully your MIL will be able to get one much sooner.

 

PS. I'm actually impressed someone in their early 80s would be able to book something online themselves!

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5 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

You are allowed to travel between two different tier 4 areas for specified reasons, although I don't believe exercise is one of those reasons, that's limited to your 'local area', but again, what constitutes local area to you might be completely different to me. Some people who live in the countryside (not that these pair probably do mind) won't even have a shop for 2 or 3 miles near them, so getting into the car and traveling 5 miles to go to the shop is an entirely realistic scenario that happens everyday.

 

I find it absolutely mental that we're at the point now in this country where we're happy to fine people for traveling to go for a peaceful walk on their day off, especially when the circumstances might mean that it's entirely the safest scenario for certain people. If they were travelling 50 miles I'd understand it, but 5 miles? Come on.

Hasn't the lockdown superceded the Tier system anyway?

We live 6 miles from the nearest shop.

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2 minutes ago, reynard said:

So where were the police breaking up crowds that are not practicing social distancing?

From that video. They are just standing watching. Obviously no easy targets.

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