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14 hours ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

Add to that the craziest decision yet when they put London into tier 2 in December whilst most of the rest of us were tier 3. This is London, the capital, where lots and lots of people live together in close proximity 

Oh how they must have smirked with self satisfaction looking after themselves before Christmas, pubs open etc what a jolly good time they must of had whilst the the rest of us could do very little.

Scandalous.

And if I sound bitter it’s because I am.

 

 

Yes totally agree , putting London into tier 2 even at the time looked crazy but now looks like one of the worst decisions yet and then on top of that everyone having a small party for Christmas. 
the only way out of this now is a really hard lockdown with curfews and Papers needed to leave the house. 
I have relatives living in Greece where they need a downloadable form they have to have with them to go out and also they have an app on the phone which monitors how many times you’ve been out , sounds crazy but the rates are now almost zero. 

 

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54 minutes ago, Super_horns said:

In theory I guess but in reality ?

In reality, they’ll be sitting in a back room with a couple of army personnel watching on cctv and if they spot you, you’ll get shot. Either that or they just refuse to serve you.

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3 minutes ago, grth2004 said:

What an embarrassing statistic for the U.K. 

Anyone who thinks this government is doing a good job needs to go and check themselves into an asylum right now. 

What has Ireland got to do with the UK? 

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3 hours ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

Very interesting, I looked up the lyrics to that song and lo and behold....

 

In the year 2525
If man is still alive
If woman can survive
They may find
In the year 3535
Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lies
Everything you think, do, and say
Is in the pill you took today

Ahh Let everybody join in...its the new Vaccine Theme song..:banana:Now

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Parafox said:

All ambulance staff and voluntary first responders are required to have level 2 PPE at every call they attend. There is NO exemption. Disciplinary action can be taken if we fail to comply.

I have first hand experience of seeing ambulance staff pulling their masks down to speak to my mother the week before last.  She is deaf and lip reads.  Were they technically in the wrong?

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5 hours ago, String fellow said:

Were the fines quashed because the girls are good-looking? Perhaps that's also why the cops surrounded them in the first place!

I suspect they were quashed because the police decided that they wouldn't be able to stand up in court and prove beyond reasonable doubt that driving 5 miles means you are no longer local, and that carrying a hot drink meets the definition of "picnic".  All they were left with was the defence of "I'm a policeman so you must obey my orders", which, unlike Australia apparently, we haven't introduced into even the emergency laws.

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46 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

I suspect they were quashed because the police decided that they wouldn't be able to stand up in court and prove beyond reasonable doubt that driving 5 miles means you are no longer local, and that carrying a hot drink meets the definition of "picnic".  All they were left with was the defence of "I'm a policeman so you must obey my orders", which, unlike Australia apparently, we haven't introduced into even the emergency laws.

When the pm of the country cycles  7 miles for exercise, that is the precedent that is set, and to be perfectly honest, it would be a pretty decent boundary nation wide, if only the government would say, 7 miles from home end of, seems like everyone could stick by that.

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6 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Not sure, but 7 miles does not seem far Ona bike, but both things seem a bit silly as they constituted exercise. 

Another day, another reason to lambast someone, media must be on cloud nine. lol

Such an overreaction in the media to Boris's bike ride.

So much to investigate, many things to push the Govt hard on and the Mirror (no surprise really, left wing paper) makes it front page.

We get our priorities wrong in this country so often.

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I think talks of further restrictions are premature given that it’s the next week that infection rate should slower - two into theee weeks after the restrictions. There were parts of the country (including boroughs of Leicestershire) which were down in their rolling 7 day rate yesterday compared to last week - these may have be dictated by the smaller than normal tests reported yesterday. Fingers crossed it’s not the case. 
 

Obviously this still means it’s critical situation in the hospitals. 

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44 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I've started running a scotch egg and peg store outside supermarkets for the non-mask brigade. Scotch egg shoved in the gob and a peg on their nose and I charge them ten quid. 

 

On a side note, has anyone ever breathalysed themselves after eating 2 of those cricket ball sized scotch eggs? Pure gas and it shatters the breathalyser. 

Keep them coming Ric lol

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Just now, whoareyaaa said:

Is it not correct that if we are all too clean/hygienic as a species we will in fact be more liable to disease?

The very nature of how vaccinations work would suggest this to be the case, I imagine 

 

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9 hours ago, Line-X said:

You actually have to be doing this on purpose now. 

 

Why is it a decent article and why is it worth a read? It's another anti-science opinion piece and shameful example of confirmation bias from "The Critic" which as an article is ironically about as far away from objective critical thinking as you can get. Shameful, because 'The Critic' often contains some interesting and thought provoking reads and prides itself on "honest criticism as to better approach truth, not deny its possibility". According to the editors - "ossified thought and a lack of intellectual rigour are depressing features of all sides of today’s political and cultural debate. Our writers will subscribe to no editorial line nor serve the interests of any party, faction or cause". Bearing this in mind, your article then goes on to state "various analyses have shown that lockdowns don’t work". The "analyses" in question are revealed to be a cherry picked list of publications assembled by the AIER a libertarian think tank affiliated with the Bastiat Society lollollol. "The Critic" claims impartiality, but the AIER is borderline Breitbart ffs!! Last year, it actually financed advertisements on social media promoting its own articles against government social distancing measures and the wearing of facemasks.

 

Your article also states "In fact, the sceptic case is argued by credible scientists, academics, journalists, politicians, and good ordinary people who just want the best for their country." So you still fail to grasp the logical fallacy of 'appeal to authority' and 'emotional pleading'. No thanks, I'll listen to the science instead of opinions. 

 

Seriously, why are you doing this to yourself and why are you repeatedly inflicting it on others? 

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, zorro en españa said:

We all know it is hard to come to terms with what is happening - recriminations for behaviour I or you find offensive abound.

 

However, situations will always be compounded by ambiguous messages and the inability this creates with policing.  Morally, I think it is wrong that someone thinks it is ok to drive seven miles to exercise.  A few posts above someone appears to be bragging that s/he entered a supermarket without a mask.  Both testing the boundaries - and with the backing of those who argue “our rights are being infringed”.

 

The difference I find here, in Spain, is that the rules are pretty clear, enforced clinically and rarely challenged (at the coal face). Still mistakes are made (in my area we are now beginning to see the ramifications of allowing country-wide movement for 20 days over the festive period) but behaviour is not out of control.

 

If I may, I will give you one example of the different psyche between the British & Spanish.  Following our first lockdown a local radio station - serving predominantly the British but listened to by many Spaniards - took great effort in explaining the relaxation criteria. After a few hours the presenter, in exasperation, was forced to say - and I paraphrase - ‘I am sick and tired of people contacting me asking how I can get round this/ that.  Will you stop looking for loopholes and obey the bloody rules!’

 

There has to be a rallying call that people believe in.  I can understand why cameras are being kept out of hospitals but I think if things are as bad as they sound a little bit more exposure to the challenges the front line hospital workers are facing would be helpful.  Politicians will not achieve this now - they have lost the people.


 

One of the best posts on this thread. Though I don’t think ‘they have lost the people’. They have lost SOME of the people

There are still some who want to do what they can to try to get out of this mess

Thank God

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7 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

When the pm of the country cycles  7 miles for exercise, that is the precedent that is set, and to be perfectly honest, it would be a pretty decent boundary nation wide, if only the government would say, 7 miles from home end of, seems like everyone could stick by that.

The problem with sticking a number on it means it now becomes a target just like all the other situations, like you can meet up to 6 people so everyone met 6 people instead of thinking ok I know it’s 6 but I’ll play my part and maybe I don’t meet that 5th or 6th person or whatever.

 

What happens if someone gets charged as it’s found they were 7miles and 100m from their door, on the face of it most will say that’s fine it’s 7miles that’s the rule, until it happens then everyone’s saying don’t be so stupid it’s 100m over, the police and gov are abusing their power etc etc but where do you then draw the line.

Would it be ok to drive 7miles to a nature reserve then walk around a 3mile circuit which effectively takes you past the 7miles again.

 

I think 8/10 people get it, stay local to them means yes go for a 1hr walk (or so) leaving on foot from your front door. I run in the morning or walk in the evening leaving on foot from my front door, I live in a built up area with open parks/land about 3km from the door which I make my way too, I must have done the same route 100 times and yes it bores the shit out of me now but I understand what’s happening around me and therefore I continue to do it, I don’t jump in the car for a change of scenery because again I understand what’s happening around me...the sooner the 2/10 realise what’s happening around them the better, yes it’s petty and inconvenient but it’s not going to be for ever the little petals. 

 

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7 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

When the pm of the country cycles  7 miles for exercise, that is the precedent that is set, and to be perfectly honest, it would be a pretty decent boundary nation wide, if only the government would say, 7 miles from home end of, seems like everyone could stick by that.

This is where it becomes a bit vague. I live in loughborough, should I be allowed to drive to Bradgate Park for a walk or run or bike ride? Probably not. If I was physically fit enough should I be allowed to run or cycle or even walk to Bradgate Park from Loughborough and back again? I honestly don't know.

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55 minutes ago, zorro en españa said:

We all know it is hard to come to terms with what is happening - recriminations for behaviour I or you find offensive abound.

 

However, situations will always be compounded by ambiguous messages and the inability this creates with policing.  Morally, I think it is wrong that someone thinks it is ok to drive seven miles to exercise.  A few posts above someone appears to be bragging that s/he entered a supermarket without a mask.  Both testing the boundaries - and with the backing of those who argue “our rights are being infringed”.

 

The difference I find here, in Spain, is that the rules are pretty clear, enforced clinically and rarely challenged (at the coal face). Still mistakes are made (in my area we are now beginning to see the ramifications of allowing country-wide movement for 20 days over the festive period) but behaviour is not out of control.

 

If I may, I will give you one example of the different psyche between the British & Spanish.  Following our first lockdown a local radio station - serving predominantly the British but listened to by many Spaniards - took great effort in explaining the relaxation criteria. After a few hours the presenter, in exasperation, was forced to say - and I paraphrase - ‘I am sick and tired of people contacting me asking how I can get round this/ that.  Will you stop looking for loopholes and obey the bloody rules!’

 

There has to be a rallying call that people believe in.  I can understand why cameras are being kept out of hospitals but I think if things are as bad as they sound a little bit more exposure to the challenges the front line hospital workers are facing would be helpful.  Politicians will not achieve this now - they have lost the people.


 

I liken us lot to frogs (I don't mean the bloody French) but of the amphibian sort. If you put us in a pan of hot water we will make a horrible squeeling noise and jump out. But if you put us in a pan of cold water and gently increase the temperature we will happily sit in there until we boil to death.

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2 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

This is where it becomes a bit vague. I live in loughborough, should I be allowed to drive to Bradgate Park for a walk or run or bike ride? Probably not. If I was physically fit enough should I be allowed to run or cycle or even walk to Bradgate Park from Loughborough and back again? I honestly don't know.

I know a lad who I went to school with who ran 100km in his garden over the 1st lockdown, thsts the benchmark. People should just do laps of their garden and eat mud. 

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