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22 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

What and you aren’t!?

Imagine if the government had set low targets for vaccines? You and all the other negativists would have jumped on their backs about lack of ambition and care. They can’t win

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Would we? 

 

If the government set their own target , and they miss it, they're fair game. What's not to get about that? 

 

They can win. I think they've done very well on the vaccine front and as said yesterday (have you forgotten?) I would love if they met that target. 

 

If I remember correctly (and happy to be corrected), did the government not get creative with the testing numbers after it was shown that they were going to miss their targets per day? 

 

I don't know what job you do but if you miss your targets, regularly or not, I'm sure you'll come under some level of scrutiny. And then maybe you'll take it on the chin, learn from it and do better next time. I can't say the government always do that. They seem to make the same mistakes over and over again (if they prove me wrong with the vaccine stuff, then fair play). But I think it's fair to point out when they miss their own targets they set for themselves. 

 

At what point, in your eyes, should or will they come under any scrutiny or criticism without the disclaimer of 'it's a tough unenviable job'? 

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12 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Just also want to add how much more positive everyone seems to be now we know we've got a vaccine and we're seeing the numbers daily. Everyday feels like we're getting closer to getting out of this, then at the end of the day you see huge vaccination numbers which far exceed your expectations and it's generating positive IMO.

It's why I've been surprised at people's negative mindsets. The numbers we're seeing would be expected after people were lax around christmas. We're now coming through the other side and things are gonna be looking a whole world different in 2 months.

 

The thing we've not had yet and will happen is people who have had the vaccine dying. That's going to be massive news and will be blown massively out of proportion, I might just have the day off the internet when that happens.

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4 minutes ago, filbertway said:

It's why I've been surprised at people's negative mindsets. The numbers we're seeing would be expected after people were lax around christmas. We're now coming through the other side and things are gonna be looking a whole world different in 2 months.

 

The thing we've not had yet and will happen is people who have had the vaccine dying. That's going to be massive news and will be blown massively out of proportion, I might just have the day off the internet when that happens.

Might the media have the good sense to handle the last point sensitively?You would hope so but I very much doubt it.

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16 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

Just also want to add how much more positive everyone seems to be now we know we've got a vaccine and we're seeing the numbers daily. Everyday feels like we're getting closer to getting out of this, then at the end of the day you see huge vaccination numbers which far exceed your expectations and it's generating positive IMO.

It's funny because I've been under the impression that some people are worried that revealing vaccination figures will result in people becoming complacent and less likely to comply with the restrictions. It's had the complete opposite impact on me. Now that I can see a potential way out I feel far less frustrated by the whole situation and I'm more than happy to see it through. 

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Just now, Heathrow fox said:

Might the media have the good sense to handle the last point sensitively?You would hope so but I very much doubt it.

Based on how they've handled most news, I very much doubt it.

 

It'll be sensationalist reporting for a day or two followed by them then explaining why it's not as bad as they made out.

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46 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

I wish someone would whatsapp me that thing about putting the vaccine in beer. I feel like I need to see it for a 200th time.

Talking of :beer: did anyone else watch that ITV panorama equivalent last night they did a 'When will i get the vaccine' (or something along those lines) because within that they mentioned a recommendation of not drinking alcohol a few days before & up to 2 weeks after the jab. Thats something i haven't heard before & they never really went into detail, anyone shed any further light if this is an actual recommendation?

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44 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Based on how they've handled most news, I very much doubt it.

 

It'll be sensationalist reporting for a day or two followed by them then explaining why it's not as bad as they made out.

Don’t you just know it

I could write the headline tonight for the beeb:

 

’Whilst putting their own health and safety at risk, vaccinators have come out in their droves to try to help the people of this country and the government to reach their lofty targets for vaccines’

 

TOGETHER WITH PEOPLE USING THEIR COMMON SENSE DURING THE LATEST LOCKDOWN, This looks to be having a good effect...

 

(cut to some random video of members of the public being interviewed outside vaccination hubs, claiming how they are very thankful they have received their first vaccination and how the process was incredibly streamlined’

 

There, that’d give people a boost wouldn’t it..

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6 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

I don't care whether they meet the target or not.  I care that they get the job done quickly, and if it helps to set an ambitious target that they don't reach, so be it.

 

If they aim for 5m per week and hit 4m, is that failure?  If they aim for 2m per week and hit 2.5m, is that success?  Possibly.  But the 4m failure would be a lot lot better than the 2.5m success.

Hallelujah 

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36 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Talking of :beer: did anyone else watch that ITV panorama equivalent last night they did a 'When will i get the vaccine' (or something along those lines) because within that they mentioned a recommendation of not drinking alcohol a few days before & up to 2 weeks after the jab. Thats something i haven't heard before & they never really went into detail, anyone shed any further light if this is an actual recommendation?

Sounds like a load of bollocks, type of thing they'd say to keep people from having piss ups after they've had a jab.

 

Happy for someone to tell me I'm wrong and point me towards a credible source though.

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It's so easy to fall into a trap of a negative mindset when all the media report is negative news. 'Brazil varient' 'south African varient' 'considering new restrictions'. Its every day. What the government need to do is come out and say we are on the home stretch, and give us an estimated date to a FULL return to normality without ANY restrictions. 

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1 minute ago, Harrydc said:

It's so easy to fall into a trap of a negative mindset when all the media report is negative news. 'Brazil varient' 'south African varient' 'considering new restrictions'. Its every day. What the government need to do is come out and say we are on the home stretch, and give us an estimated date to a FULL return to normality without ANY restrictions. 

They literally won’t know that mate. they’ll have some idea but of course if they come out with some date and it doesn’t work out completely, the media will be all over it like a rash.

BUT I get the sense for the first time in ages that mind sets are shifting. I know for a fact that tons of people are actually wanting the vaccine and are prepared to put themselves out to get it. The government too seem to be taking less shite and ARE enforcing fines now more frequently.

The govt (yes after another bloody uturn) have now closed borders to S.America

 

There may be the very slightest light at the end of a very long tunnel and I pray that’s the case.

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28 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Sounds like a load of bollocks, type of thing they'd say to keep people from having piss ups after they've had a jab.

 

Happy for someone to tell me I'm wrong and point me towards a credible source though.

did a little googling of me own & seems it stems from some Russian scientists & if speaking for Russia, as you say its probably to stop them from going on a Vladnik carnival.

 

That said there is a little bit about how every vaccination has some degree of ineffectiveness if drowned by alcohol but mentions someone drinking 12 UK units total over the course of a few days before/after any jab shouldn't be an issue, its if your caning it i guess.

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4 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:


Didn’t they already say “Normality by Easter”? Seemed pretty ambitious to me... 

Its only 2 and a half months away this year, reckon we'll be lucky to even get Tier 2 type restrictions by Easter. 

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7 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Its only 2 and a half months away this year, reckon we'll be lucky to even get Tier 2 type restrictions by Easter. 

I think things will start to improve very quickly once it's in motion. Have you ever played Plague Inc, once the science is winning your days are numbered as a killer virus :(

 

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1 minute ago, filbertway said:

I think things will start to improve very quickly once it's in motion. Have you ever played Plague Inc, once the science is winning your days are numbered as a killer virus :(

 

Hope you are right.

 

I shouldnt be too pessimistic to be honest, just hoping for the best but mentally preparing for the worst.

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16 minutes ago, Finnaldo said:


Didn’t they already say “Normality by Easter”? Seemed pretty ambitious to me... 

And last year it was 'back to normal by summer'... 'Back to normal by Christmas'

 

Not allowed to comment on that though. 

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1 minute ago, Nalis said:

Hope you are right.

 

I shouldnt be too pessimistic to be honest, just hoping for the best but mentally preparing for the worst.

I think at this stage only two potential but unlikely scenario's concern me

 

1) The vaccine doesn't work anywhere near as well as hoped

2) Some kind of mad attack means that some vaccine supplies are lost

 

If the vaccine works as expected though and we're hitting 3-500k vaccines a day for 2 months I don't see how this summer is much different to any other summer. Then as Autumn hits...hopefully the vaccine is still working. I suppose the only thing we don't know is the longevity of the vaccine. So there's potential for some restrictions in the Autumn/Winter that I'm readying myself for. 

 

I assume they'll still be studying the vaccinated people though, so we should have a good idea on longevity as time passes.

 

That's my optimistic viewpoint anyway :D

 

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33 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Its only 2 and a half months away this year, reckon we'll be lucky to even get Tier 2 type restrictions by Easter. 

Again, they can’t win really can they? It’s a no win situation with the amount of negativists in this country and the vile media who seem to exist to try to trip everyone up as much as they can.

If the government come out of lockdown too quickly and back into ‘tiers’, and we see even the slightest increase in the r rate, they’ll once more be hung out to dry

But if the decision is to keep us locked down for any longer than people want (no, DEMAND), because it’s considered the safest thing to do, then the usual suspects will criticise that too.

It’s always been a very delicate balancing act and one I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.

It’s always been my opinion that the science will win the day. I hope that if we get enough people vaccinated then we’ll see real progress.

But even that’s gonna take time isn’t it.

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